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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:01:43 -0500
From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
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Subject: Re: Entropy Pool Contents
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Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 01:10:08AM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>> Disk activities are "somewhat predictable", like network traffic, and 
>> hence are not (or should not - have not checked it) contribute to the 
>> pool. Note that urandom is the device which _always_ gives you data, and 
>> when the pool is exhausted, returns pseudorandom data.
> 
> Plesae read the following article before making such assertions:
> 
> 	D. Davis, R. Ihaka, P.R. Fenstermacher, "Cryptographic
> 	Randomness from Air Turbulence in Disk Drives", in Advances in
> 	Cryptology -- CRYPTO '94 Conference Proceedings, edited by Yvo
> 	G. Desmedt, pp.114--120. Lecture Notes in Computer Science
> 	#839. Heidelberg: Springer-Verlag, 1994.
> 	http://world.std.com/~dtd/random/forward.ps

Note that the controller hardware in question plays a large role in 
these things.  Most modern network controllers, and a few recent SATA or 
SAS controllers, include hardware interrupt mitigation, which can cause 
interrupts to fire on a timed basis in some load profiles.

Compounding that, both software and hardware interrupt mitigation lead 
(intentionally) to a marked decrease in overall interrupts, which leads 
to less entropy even if the interrupt handler is sampling randomness.

IMO there is an overall trend needing-more-entropy-than-you-have for 
headless network servers.  If you have a hardware RNG, use that and rngd 
to fill the entropy pool.  If you don't, look into various entropy 
gathering daemons (audio-entropyd, video-entropyd, egd, and others). 
You can gather entropy from system stats, open microphones, open video 
channels, thermal diodes, ...

	Jeff


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