Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S937753AbWLFWfE (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:35:04 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S937750AbWLFWfD (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:35:03 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:12857 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S937746AbWLFWfB (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:35:01 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mtEFoURAo3cYxflKbB9FKRlrL0UGqZLpICDGgDOMR1D17dwuxMwT/t2uQNE7CBwr4cpXioHG5aZiIUp/VJU/csDPoZBouKbfALcJNiXuYNlxCBJpICUB4hRorTlyBYHHPmyp5uAfGzrKRMeVLc/9TqLIjLDJyiW7tcj/w1ml9Yo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:34:59 -0800 From: "Ulrich Drepper" To: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Linux should define ENOTSUP Cc: "Samuel Thibault" , "Arjan van de Ven" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <457731E7.6050000@zytor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061206135134.GJ3927@implementation.labri.fr> <1165415115.3233.449.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20061206143159.GP3927@implementation.labri.fr> <4576DF04.4000900@zytor.com> <457731E7.6050000@zytor.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1737 Lines: 32 On 12/6/06, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > I'm quite aware of that, but I still think Sun has more resources to get > their particular viewpoint through the committee -- it's just a matter > of resources at hand. I myself had to largely drop out due to other > pressures, for example. But I'm still there, as are IBM, HP people and various other organizations. Sun is represented by one person and all the direct influence the company has is in the OpenGroup vote (one of three). And here the field is even wider, many more companies have a vote (including Red Hat). The other two organizations are IEEE (where the members of the balloting group make the decisions, individuals but also implementer votes) and ISO (which is entirely country based). It is simply not true that any OS manufacturer has any power like this. At least not in the last 8 years or so. And as I said before, if you can potentially say this about any OS then it is Linux. The ENOTSUP issue is a good example. There is no need for this change in any of the certified Unixes (since they got there errno assingments from SysV or at least tested against the Unix test suite early on). The pressure from the growing number of Linux users made this an issue and so it got changed. And take a look at the next revision. This is mostly an "align with Linux" edition since Linux already has all the proposed new functionality. Solaris has only a small subset and none of the other OS have anything like it. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/