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I'm not sure. For the second case we need to pack allocations from different tasks/cgroups into a small number of shared pages. It means the front cache should be really small/non-existing. For the first case we likely need a substantial cache. Maybe we can do something really smart with scattering the cache over multiple pages, but I really doubt.