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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/2] Add p2p via dmabuf to habanalabs
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 02:31:34PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:12 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:18:31PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 07:53:07PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > Re-sending this patch-set following the release of our user-space TPC
> > > > > compiler and runtime library.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would appreciate a review on this.
> > > >
> > > > I think the big open we have is the entire revoke discussions. Having the
> > > > option to let dma-buf hang around which map to random local memory ranges,
> > > > without clear ownership link and a way to kill it sounds bad to me.
> > > >
> > > > I think there's a few options:
> > > > - We require revoke support. But I've heard rdma really doesn't like that,
> > > >   I guess because taking out an MR while holding the dma_resv_lock would
> > > >   be an inversion, so can't be done. Jason, can you recap what exactly the
> > > >   hold-up was again that makes this a no-go?
> > >
> > > RDMA HW can't do revoke.
> 
> Like why? I'm assuming when the final open handle or whatever for that MR
> is closed, you do clean up everything? Or does that MR still stick around
> forever too?

It is a combination of uAPI and HW specification.

revoke here means you take a MR object and tell it to stop doing DMA
without causing the MR object to be destructed.

All the drivers can of course destruct the MR, but doing such a
destruction without explicit synchronization with user space opens
things up to a serious use-after potential that could be a security
issue.

When the open handle closes the userspace is synchronized with the
kernel and we can destruct the HW objects safely.

So, the special HW feature required is 'stop doing DMA but keep the
object in an error state' which isn't really implemented, and doesn't
extend very well to other object types beyond simple MRs.

> 1. User A opens gaudi device, sets up dma-buf export
> 
> 2. User A registers that with RDMA, or anything else that doesn't support
> revoke.
> 
> 3. User A closes gaudi device
> 
> 4. User B opens gaudi device, assumes that it has full control over the
> device and uploads some secrets, which happen to end up in the dma-buf
> region user A set up

I would expect this is blocked so long as the DMABUF exists - eg the
DMABUF will hold a fget on the FD of #1 until the DMABUF is closed, so
that #3 can't actually happen.

> It's not mlocked memory, it's mlocked memory and I can exfiltrate
> it.

That's just bug, don't make buggy drivers :)

Jason