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From:   Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:21:27 +1000
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Tom Rix as fpga maintainer
To:     Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc:     Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>, Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>,
        hao.wu@intel.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org
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On Thu, 16 Sept 2021 at 22:50, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 05:41:35AM -0700, Tom Rix wrote:
> >
> > On 9/15/21 1:55 PM, Moritz Fischer wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 09:12:51AM -0700, Tom Rix wrote:
> > > > On 9/15/21 7:04 AM, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 06:23:16AM -0700, Tom Rix wrote:
> > > > > > On 9/14/21 11:58 AM, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > > > > [note, you got the maintainer's email address wrong on your cc: line
> > > > > > >     I fixed it up...]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:23:33AM -0700, trix@redhat.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > From: Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am the maintainer of the fpga/ subsystem for both the kernel and
> > > > > > > > userspace for Red Hat.  I have been an active reviewer and contributor
> > > > > > > > on for public fpga/ subsystem for the last year.  I would like to
> > > > > > > > help out more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I am paid to do this work, change the status to Supported.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > >     MAINTAINERS | 4 ++--
> > > > > > > >     1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > > > > > index 04fa4edf100b83..0443d7ab826659 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > > > > > > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > > > > > @@ -7353,9 +7353,9 @@ F:  include/uapi/linux/fpga-dfl.h
> > > > > > > >     FPGA MANAGER FRAMEWORK
> > > > > > > >     M:    Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>
> > > > > > > > -R:       Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > +M:       Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > >     L:    linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org
> > > > > > > > -S:       Maintained
> > > > > > > > +S:       Supported
> > > > > > > >     W:    http://www.rocketboards.org
> > > > > > > >     Q:    http://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-fpga/list/
> > > > > > > >     T:    git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mdf/linux-fpga.git
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > 2.26.3
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Traditionally existing maintainers are the ones that add new
> > > > > > > maintainers, it's not something that you just submit a patch for hoping
> > > > > > > it will be accepted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What has changed since the last time you asked to do this?
> > > > > > Because public and private requests have gone unanswered for so long, it is
> > > > > > unclear if Moritz is still maintaining the subsystem.
> > > > > He is, as is evident by the patches I accept from him each merge.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The nearly year old xrt patchset has been pending for 6 weeks with minor
> > > > > > changes to one patch out of 14 needing reviews.
> > > > > Code quality is not the maintainer's job, it's the developer's, so the
> > > > > age and number of reviews is not any indication.
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fpga/20210802160521.331031-1-lizhi.hou@xilinx.com/
> > > >
> > > > The review is needed because Moritz asked for the changes v8 here
> > > >
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fpga/YP42zE2ljx4hHj40@epycbox.lan/
> > > >
> > > > When the maintainer asks for the changes, they are responsible for the
> > > > followup.
> > > >
> > > > > > The standard release patchset, which needs an opinion has on an api change,
> > > > > > has been outstanding for 8 weeks.
> > > > > Have a pointer to it?
> > > > This was a change you requested. the recent patchset is
> > > >
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fpga/20210914214327.94048-4-russell.h.weight@intel.com/
> > > >
> > > > The discussion around the api change is
> > > >
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fpga/661d53d0-0ba4-d344-8da0-995a9b612905@redhat.com/
> > > >
> > > > In these toss up's if the maintainer does not weigh in as the tie breaker,
> > > > the patch stalls.
> > > >
> > > > > > If maintainership depends on an approving maintainter, what happens when the
> > > > > > approving maintainer has left ?
> > > > > Vacations happen in the summer.  I've talked to Moritz many times, and
> > > > > all is well here.
> > > > Yes. in the xrt v9 patch Moritz announced late of a vacation with a return
> > > > of 9/4.
> > > >
> > > > It has been 11 days.
> > > I had a family issue that was unforseen combined with an unusual high
> > > post-vacation workload at $dayjob when I got back.
> > >
> > > I'm still catching up, and will get to it when I can.
> >
> > I almost never take vacation because of the post vacation workload.
>
> That is not sustainable, nor a requirement of a kernel maintainer.
>
> > You not having backup is a problem.
> >
> > Please consider taking the help I am offering.
>
> You can not force yourself on others.  Moritz is doing a fine job,
> please do not make it difficult.

I think it's probably up to Moritz to discuss this possibility with
Tom, but we should not be dismissing potential comaintainer roles
either, the bus factor is real, and being able to take time off
without things grinding to a halt is a welcome feature for everyone.

Dave.