Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932809AbWLNPjw (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:39:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932811AbWLNPjw (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:39:52 -0500 Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:4741 "HELO mailout.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932809AbWLNPju (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:39:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:39:49 +0100 From: Adrian Bunk To: James Morris Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , Jonathan Corbet , Andrew Morton , "Michael K. Edwards" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Message-ID: <20061214153949.GA3388@stusta.de> References: <20061214003246.GA12162@suse.de> <22299.1166057009@lwn.net> <20061214005532.GA12790@suse.de> <4580E37F.8000305@mbligh.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1782 Lines: 49 On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 03:03:10AM -0500, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > > > The point of banning binary drivers would be to leverage hardware > > companies into either releasing open source drivers, or the specs for > > someone else to write them. > > IMHO, it's up to the users to decide if they want to keep buying hardware > which leads to inferior support, less reliability, decreased security and > all of the other ills associated with binary drivers. Let them also > choose distributions which enact the binary driver policies they agree > with. >... Unfortunately, we are living in an economic system with the strong tendency to create oligopolys. Situations with only 1-3 manufacturers you can choose from are quite common (consider e.g. the 3D graphics market). If you aren't a big company with big market power but a simple costumer who needs such hardware you have zero choice if all manufactorers only offer binary-only drivers at best. And there's also the common misconception all costumers had enough information when buying something. If you are a normal Linux user and buy some hardware labelled "runs under Linux", it could turn out that's with a Windows driver running under ndiswrapper... > - James cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/