Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030465AbWLPAZO (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:25:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030464AbWLPAZO (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:25:14 -0500 Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.25]:58280 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030465AbWLPAZN (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:25:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Linus Torvalds To: karderio cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] In-Reply-To: <1166226982.12721.78.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1166226982.12721.78.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2031 Lines: 47 On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, karderio wrote: > > If the "free software community" has the clout to twist vendor's arms to > get them release driver source, then I'm all for it. I don't care what you're for, or what your imaginary "free software community" is for. We're "open source", and we're not a religion. We don't "twist peoples arms". We show people what we think is a better way, and we let them participate. We don't force it, we don't twist it, and it's ok not to believe in the GPL or our ideals. In fact, "our ideals" aren't even one unified thing to begin with. We also don't try to pervert copyright into a "you have to _use_ things in a certain way". We don't think "fair use" is a bad thing. We encourage it, and that means that we have to abide by it ourselves. It means, most particularly, that even people we disagree with have that right of "fair use". That, btw, is what "freedom" and "rights" are all about. It's obly meaningful when you grant those rights to people you don't agree with. Also, since you haven't apparently gotten the memo yet, let me point it out to you: the end results don't justify the means, and never did. So arm-twisting doesn't become good just because you think the end result might be worth it. It's still bad. And btw, that "information freedom" thing you talked about is just so much blather and idiotic hogwash. "Information" doesn't want to be free, nor is it somethign you should fight for or necessarily even encourage. It doesn't hold a candle to _peoples_ freedom, the foremost of which is to just disagree with you. Once you allow people to talk and do what they want, that "information freedom" will follow. It's not a religion, and it's not about suppressing other people and other viewpoints. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/