Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030563AbWLPCEL (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:04:11 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030565AbWLPCEK (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:04:10 -0500 Received: from neopsis.com ([213.239.204.14]:59525 "EHLO matterhorn.dbservice.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030563AbWLPCEJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:04:09 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 1469 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:04:09 EST Message-ID: <4583527D.4000903@dbservice.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:57:17 +0000 From: Tomas Carnecky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b1 (X11/20061212) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dobriyan CC: James Porter , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Binary Drivers References: <20061215220117.GA24819@martell.zuzino.mipt.ru> In-Reply-To: <20061215220117.GA24819@martell.zuzino.mipt.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Neopsis-MailScanner-Information: Neopsis MailScanner using ClamAV and Spaassassin X-Neopsis-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Neopsis-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.313, required 5, autolearn=spam, AWL 0.15, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) X-MailScanner-From: tom@dbservice.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1816 Lines: 45 Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 09:20:58PM +0000, James Porter wrote: >> For what it's worth, I don't see any problem with binary drivers from hardware >> manufacturers. > > Binary drivers from hardware manufacturers are crap. Learn it by heart. > That's your personal opinion! A lot other people (including me) have had excellent experience with binary drivers! >> Just because nvidia makes a closed source driver doesn't mean that we can't also >> create an open source driver(limited functionality, reverse engineered, >> etc.,etc.). > > We can. > The day you show me that the open-source driver is faster and more stable then the binary driver, I'll switch. But until then I'll stay with my binary driver. I haven't had any serious problems with it, in fact, I'm very happy, so why should I want to switch? I don't see Linux in such a political way like some of you do, for me Linux is just like any other OS. There are good drivers and bad drivers. And I don't care if they are open source or binary, I don't judge them based on that, but based on how well they work and how good the support is. > But users of binary drivers should be blocked from sending bug reports > to kernel developers. > Most end-users will never get directly in touch with the kernel developers. They'll first go to their distribution. Most Ubuntu users don't even know what a kernel is (not that I use Ubuntu, but it's a distribution that is widespread among the less experienced end-users and people who switch to Linux from the windows world). tom - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/