Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753782AbWLPUaR (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753781AbWLPUaR (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0500 Received: from caramon.arm.linux.org.uk ([217.147.92.249]:3306 "EHLO caramon.arm.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753784AbWLPUaP (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:30:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:30:01 +0000 From: Russell King To: "J.H." Cc: Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Pavel Machek , kernel list , hpa@zytor.com, webmaster@kernel.org Subject: Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel Message-ID: <20061216203000.GB31619@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "J.H." , Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Pavel Machek , kernel list , hpa@zytor.com, webmaster@kernel.org References: <20061214223718.GA3816@elf.ucw.cz> <20061216094421.416a271e.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <20061216095702.3e6f1d1f.akpm@osdl.org> <458434B0.4090506@oracle.com> <1166297434.26330.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1166297434.26330.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2390 Lines: 58 On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: > The problem has been hashed over quite a bit recently, and I would be > curious what you would consider the real problem after you see the > situation. One thing which isn't helping you is the way folk inevitably end up using ftp.kernel.org rather than ftp..kernel.org. [*] Let me illustrate why. Throw http://ftp.uk.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel into a web browser. The address changes to: http://ftp.uk.kernel.org/sites/ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ Hit reload a few times, and eventually be greated by: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /sites/ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ on this server. because one of the IPs which "ftp.uk.kernel.org" resolves to isn't a part of the UK mirror service (who are providing most of ftp.uk.kernel.org), and therefore has a different site policy. Ergo, downloads via http from ftp.uk.kernel.org are at best unreliable for multiple requests. I agree that it's not directly your problem, and isn't something you have direct control over. However, if you want to round-robin the .kernel.org IP addresses between different providers, I suggest that either the name resolves to just one site, or that kernel.org adopts a policy with their mirrors that they only become part of the .kernel.org DNS entries as long as they do not rewrite their site-specific URLs in terms of that address. IOW, that URL above should've been: http://hawking-if-b.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ to ensure that mirrorservice.org's policy isn't uselessly applied to someone elses mirror site. Maybe then ftp..kernel.org would become slightly more attractive. * - I gave up with ftp.uk.kernel.org many years ago when it became unreliable and haven't looked back, despite recent news that it's improved. But as illustrated above it does still have issues. I certainly would _not_ want to use ftp.uk.linux.org to obtain GIT updates from as long as the current DNS situation persists - that would be suicide. -- Russell King Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ maintainer of: - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/