Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:d5a5:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id gn37csp2132692pxb; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJza6KloXfCykMd5h1hvvJ4H+XmXENob9nZxtfW5pfJKqLHhdf5hO7TtHncNfopxXqjcjDDA X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9d02:0:b0:43d:ea96:5882 with SMTP id k2-20020aa79d02000000b0043dea965882mr15552987pfp.23.1633185568723; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1633185568; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=STVWWa2OwfWGIWcMQgXbKbP987lHch17/s/8IKI+RKTpV5ySzfb2yqoExIl3zpw+Sg gDxrNfTgTx/oA+OD10+FnwxJ3a1bNIR/OpXuBkZX+nEF2KbGXmak51iR3NV+vV3mKOei 8YU13x1Bw+YBhWaWjxc6Ol0+k7OqDoOt+vydk/vJzE+hgA2pmSAHRVCfOPkTHeqVLwz5 o9VIPUSc4vYFgTI0Izgpbn8JRRL2eHfspjxgFhy9KOfBsdKoGSpdPDdsJF5FpvfMAGGN WfA01dkl6CK21hZiBtcOw9c5bbhSsVCByyO5qdbBFiUF64BaX+HJ3Jv2U5dSrXgjOeb8 wA/w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=NzuYjJX0+uS5VlL2JiZsM1G2kRiqBoFQYZzFaeqQFDU=; b=ZiNPH14PgIHyOuRRBoDeMrV7hOBDT9Tz3EvQ80VjVY3RyoNJfvFYPaOSh30Kb3JCW3 XGZe2r5mWrSL5NNeHLKWB+6m90HSXKXC8N0liZdLt1hU7LTr/ZwF7eXxs8oHnCyeNkC2 KfzPLL4GW+6w2Dc0JS8UkX1Kf2slGukiM+TssqfryVXJflZEPhd1gNSMxo921amGr4gs DirkXtyJknf6Naoz78ktOZBvN1dAtg/3zZTJNSaTlrdSG/vNg9ShxMWPZF/ICHZbRGnu Zqk9FRsPGtQ9mNz5g0Fy8MWFUZ7T9bq3NF0VrYWL0M83NMCpN88zfZwK+kYGQ/2X91bk 3AFw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2si11003747pgg.478.2021.10.02.07.39.02; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233370AbhJBObW (ORCPT + 99 others); Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:31:22 -0400 Received: from netrider.rowland.org ([192.131.102.5]:59937 "HELO netrider.rowland.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S233349AbhJBObV (ORCPT ); Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:31:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 533212 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Oct 2021 10:29:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:29:33 -0400 From: Alan Stern To: Segher Boessenkool Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" , Mathieu Desnoyers , will@kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds , parri.andrea@gmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] LKMM: Add ctrl_dep() macro for control dependency Message-ID: <20211002142933.GA532982@rowland.harvard.edu> References: <20210928211507.20335-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> <20210929214703.GG22689@gate.crashing.org> <20210929235700.GF880162@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> <20211001191008.GA16711@gate.crashing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20211001191008.GA16711@gate.crashing.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 02:10:08PM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote: > Compilers understand you want exactly what you wrote. If you write > something other than what you want, you only will get what you want by > pure luck. The problem is that at times you _can't_ write what you want because the language offers no way to express it. Alan