Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755339AbXABUVJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:21:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755308AbXABUVJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:21:09 -0500 Received: from mail.acc.umu.se ([130.239.18.156]:38427 "EHLO mail.acc.umu.se" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755298AbXABUVH (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:21:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:20:54 +0100 From: David Weinehall To: Jan Engelhardt Cc: "Robert P. J. Day" , Theodore Tso , Trent Waddington , Bernd Petrovitsch , "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" , Erik Mouw , Giuseppe Bilotta , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Message-ID: <20070102202054.GC28150@vasa.acc.umu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Jan Engelhardt , "Robert P. J. Day" , Theodore Tso , Trent Waddington , Bernd Petrovitsch , "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" , Erik Mouw , Giuseppe Bilotta , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1167568899.3318.39.camel@gimli.at.home> <3d57814d0612310503r282404afgd9b06ca57f44ab3c@mail.gmail.com> <200701020404.l0244n3b024582@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <3d57814d0701012230v2e8b31eeqef7e542d73fc08d9@mail.gmail.com> <1167730833.12526.35.camel@tara.firmix.at> <3d57814d0701020326o2b3b5636mcf31147ad00e82c6@mail.gmail.com> <20070102125026.GA4608@thunk.org> <20070102151503.GA28150@vasa.acc.umu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Editor: Vi Improved X-Accept-Language: Swedish, English X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7ACE 0FB0 7A74 F994 9B36 E1D1 D14E 8526 DC47 CA16 X-GPG-Key: http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/files/pub_dc47ca16.gpg.asc Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2355 Lines: 54 On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 06:13:46PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Jan 2 2007 16:15, David Weinehall wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: > >> > >> 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but > >> *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that > >> will produce third-degree burns almost immediately, and > > > >That's less than 90?C. > [1] > > >Water boils at 100?C. How the hell do > >people expect coffee to be made without boiling water? Magic? > > Boil or not - I've done a test some years ago with some friend > arguing about what the best temperature for tea is. Result of an > experiment involving actual temperature sensors: my default tea is 40 > deg celsius. Theirs was about 60. And to note, drinking 60 deg water > already starts to scald my tongue slightly so that it 'itches' for a > while. So nothing[1] is unreasonable. For tea, you're not supposed to boil the water, only let it seethe, as far as I know. But yes, drinking scalding hot beverages is quite stupid. I'm not arguing against that. But not realising that something you need to at the very least seethe to prepare might be hot when served is showing total ignorance. > >> 2) there had, for a decade prior, been some *700* cases where people > >> had burned themselves with mcdonald's coffee, so it's not as if > >> mcdonald's was unaware of the danger, yet continued to ignore it. > > > >No, the customers continued to prove to be total morons by total > >ignorance of the fact that coffee *is* hot when fresh. If they > >cannot handle hot coffee, they can order ice coffee or ask for a > >refill of their cola. > > Reminds me of http://qdb.us/4753 Sounds quite reasonable. Things have gone too far when there are warnings about even the most obvious things. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Northern lights wander (\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ (/ Full colour fire (/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/