Date:   Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:38:56 +0100
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To:     Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>, Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
        edwin.peer@broadcom.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] devlink: Require devlink lock during device
 reload
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Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 01:17:52PM CET, leon@kernel.org wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 01:05:11PM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 07:24:27PM CET, jgg@nvidia.com wrote:
>> >On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 08:20:42AM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:33:35 -0400 Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> >> > > > I once sketched out fixing this by removing the need to hold the
>> >> > > > per_net_rwsem just for list iteration, which in turn avoids holding it
>> >> > > > over the devlink reload paths. It seemed like a reasonable step toward
>> >> > > > finer grained locking.  
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > Seems to me the locking is just a symptom.  
>> >> > 
>> >> > My fear is this reload during net ns destruction is devlink uAPI now
>> >> > and, yes it may be only a symptom, but the root cause may be unfixable
>> >> > uAPI constraints.
>> >> 
>> >> If I'm reading this right it locks up 100% of the time, what is a uAPI
>> >> for? DoS? ;)
>> >> 
>> >> Hence my questions about the actual use cases.
>> >
>> >Removing namespace support from devlink would solve the crasher. I
>> >certainly didn't feel bold enough to suggest such a thing :)
>> >
>> >If no other devlink driver cares about this it is probably the best
>> >idea.
>> 
>> Devlink namespace support is not generic, not related to any driver.
>
>What do you mean?
>
>devlink_pernet_pre_exit() calls to devlink reload, which means that only
>drivers that support reload care about it. The reload is driver thing.

However, Jason was talking about "namespace support removal from
devlink"..


>
>Thanks
>
>> 
>> >
>> >Jason