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From:   Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm/vmscan.c: Prevent allocating shrinker_info on
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On 12/6/21 15:21, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 06-12-21 15:08:10, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> 
>> >> But there might be more missing. Onlining a new zone will get more
>> >> expensive in setups with a lot of possible nodes (x86-64 shouldn't
>> >> really be an issue in that regard).
>> > 
>> > Honestly, I am not really concerned by platforms with too many nodes
>> > without any memory. If they want to shoot their feet then that's their
>> > choice. We can optimize for those if they ever prove to be standar.
>> >  
>> >> If we want stable backports, we'll want something simple upfront.
>> > 
>> > For stable backports I would be fine by doing your NODE_DATA check in
>> > the allocator. In upstream I think we should be aiming for a more robust
>> > solution that is also easier to maintain further down the line. Even if
>> > that is an investment at this momemnt because the initialization code is
>> > a mess.
>> > 
>> 
>> Agreed. I would be curious *why* we decided to dynamically allocate the
>> pgdat. is this just a historical coincidence or was there real reason to
>> not allocate it for all possible nodes during boot?
> 
> I don't know but if I was to guess the most likely explanation would be
> that the numa init code was in a similar order as now and it was easier
> to simply allocate a pgdat when a new one was onlined.
> 9af3c2dea3a3 ("[PATCH] pgdat allocation for new node add (call pgdat allocation)")
> doesn't really tell much.

I don't know if that's true for pgdat specifically, but generally IMHO the
advantages of allocating during/after online instead for each possible is
- memory savings when some possible node is actually never online
- at least in some cases, the allocations can be local to the node in
question where the advantages is
  - faster access
  - less memory occupied on nodes that are earlier online, especially node 0

So while the approach of allocate on boot for all possible nodes instead of
just online nodes has advantages of being generally safer and simpler (no
memory hotplug callbacks etc), we should also be careful not to overdo this
approach so we don't end up with Node 0 memory filled with structures used
for nodes 1-X that are just onlined later. I imagine that could be a problem
even for "sane" archs that don't have tons of possible, but offline nodes.

Concretely, pgdat should probably be fine, but things like all shrinkers?
Maybe less so.