Date:   Wed, 29 Dec 2021 18:38:43 +0800
From:   Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>
To:     Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v19 02/13] x86/setup: Use parse_crashkernel_high_low() to
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On 12/29/21 at 11:11am, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 03:45:12PM +0800, Dave Young wrote:
> > BTW, I would suggest to wait for reviewers to response (eg. one week at
> > least, or more due to the holidays) before updating another version
> > 
> > Do not worry to miss the 5.17.  I would say take it easy if it will
> > miss then let's just leave with it and continue to work on the future
> > improvements.  I think one reason this issue takes too long time is that it was
> > discussed some time but no followup and later people need to warm up
> > again.  Just keep it warm and continue to engage in the improvements, do
> > not hurry for the specific mainline release.
> 
> Can you tell this to *all* patch submitters please?

I appreciate you further explanation below to describe the situation.  I do not
see how can I tell this to *all* submitters,  but I am and I will try to do this
as far as I can.  Maintainers and patch submitters, it would help for both
parties show sympathy with each other, some soft reminders will help
people to understand each other, especially for new comers.

> 
> I can't count the times where people simply hurry to send the new
> revision just to get it in the next kernel, and make silly mistakes
> while doing so. Or not think things straight and misdesign it all.
> 
> And what this causes is the opposite of what they wanna achieve - pissed
> maintainers and ignored threads.
> 
> And they all *know* that the next kernel is around the corner. So why
> the hell does it even matter when?
> 
> What most submitters fail to realize is, the moment your code hits
> upstream, it becomes the maintainers' problem and submitters can relax.
> 
> But maintainers get to deal with this code forever. So after a while
> maintainers learn that they either accept ready code and it all just
> works or they make the mistake to take half-baked crap in and then they
> themselves get to clean it up and fix it.
> 
> So maintainers learn quickly to push back.
> 
> But it is annoying and it would help immensely if submitters would
> consider this and stop hurrying the code in but try to do a *good* job
> first, design-wise and code-wise by thinking hard about what they're
> trying to do.
> 
> Yeah, things could be a lot simpler and easier - it only takes a little
> bit of effort...
> 
> -- 
> Regards/Gruss,
>     Boris.
> 
> https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette
> 

Thanks
Dave