Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1422763AbXBARse (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:48:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1422781AbXBARse (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:48:34 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]:35135 "EHLO nf-out-0910.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1422763AbXBARsd (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:48:33 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ukajmdDpAvORiNDswaALpYsS2yMGkwdMUQ715MhwSy4qMyM2TKOxuhp4qiEt3e6S8q5KBH/P/IPz8Y/je7pCKaF6OG2SARArS4CSP/tSc9RT5frj+K0XcJQVCjneACAxKt8gfKqzmdNQ1XA1PjEAl0c9RnFNrggd9dYqF3WI79k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:48:30 -0800 From: "Michael K. Edwards" To: "Lennart Sorensen" Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development! Cc: "Michael Buesch" , "Jeff Garzik" , "Roland Dreier" , "Greg KH" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20070201164201.GI7584@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070130012904.GA9617@kroah.com> <45BFC2CF.8010603@garzik.org> <20070130222344.GF7584@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200702011646.38762.mb@bu3sch.de> <20070201164201.GI7584@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2017 Lines: 36 On 2/1/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Sometimes I might be. At least on the days I have to deal with problems > in Windows (it's not even my machine, so I don't get to pick what it > runs all the time. :) I haven't had particularly much luck getting a > stable wireless going on linux yet, although I haven't put much effort > into it yet either. I figure in a couple of years there will be so many > wifi devices around that wireless won't work anymore anyhow so it isn't > a high priority. I like simple trustworthy wires. For what it's worth, hostap + Prism chips of various kinds has worked quite solidly for 7-8 years or so, and I shipped handheld products with it in 2001 or so and ran all of my wireless infrastructure gear on it until I switched to off-the-shelf Broadcom- and Atheros-based gear a couple of years ago (running OpenWRT and variants thereof). The apparent inability of any wireless vendor to fix a low-level firmware bug without breaking at least one common order of operations in the driver API is hardly Linux's fault. As it stands, there's enough of a learning and fiddling curve with every WiFi driver that it's usually not very time-efficient to get WiFi working under Linux on any single box that shipped with Windows. But given a controlled configuration and some up-front time investment, it's not that hard to switch over your local environment (my neighbors and I have a WDS mesh set up), at which point you may be the only people within RF range whose WiFi doesn't go belly-up when some mangled frame comes along. In this case, it's the last 20% of the effort that produces 80% of the value. (Bye-bye, telco monopoly; the only live wires remaining into our house are the AC mains.) Cheers, - Michael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/