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Date:   Wed, 19 Jan 2022 17:15:02 +0100
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> > On Tue 2022-01-18 23:24:47, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
> >> Add some helpers under lib/string_helpers.h so they can be used
> >> throughout the kernel. When I started doing this there were 2 other
> >> previous attempts I know of, not counting the iterations each of them
> >> had:
> >> 
> >> 1) https://lore.kernel.org/all/20191023131308.9420-1-jani.nikula@intel.com/
> >> 2) https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210215142137.64476-1-andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com/#t
> >> 
> >> Going through the comments I tried to find some common ground and
> >> justification for what is in here, addressing some of the concerns
> >> raised.
> >> 
> >> d. This doesn't bring onoff() helper as there are some places in the
> >>    kernel with onoff as variable - another name is probably needed for
> >>    this function in order not to shadow the variable, or those variables
> >>    could be renamed.  Or if people wanting  <someprefix>
> >>    try to find a short one
> >
> > I would call it str_on_off().
> >
> > And I would actually suggest to use the same style also for
> > the other helpers.
> >
> > The "str_" prefix would make it clear that it is something with
> > string. There are other <prefix>_on_off() that affect some
> > functionality, e.g. mute_led_on_off(), e1000_vlan_filter_on_off().
> >
> > The dash '_' would significantly help to parse the name. yesno() and
> > onoff() are nicely short and kind of acceptable. But "enabledisable()"
> > is a puzzle.
> >
> > IMHO, str_yes_no(), str_on_off(), str_enable_disable() are a good
> > compromise.
> >
> > The main motivation should be code readability. You write the
> > code once. But many people will read it many times. Open coding
> > is sometimes better than misleading macro names.
> >
> > That said, I do not want to block this patchset. If others like
> > it... ;-)
> 
> I don't mind the names either way. Adding the prefix and dashes is
> helpful in that it's possible to add the functions first and convert
> users at leisure, though with a bunch of churn, while using names that
> collide with existing ones requires the changes to happen in one go.
> 
> What I do mind is grinding this series to a halt once again. I sent a
> handful of versions of this three years ago, with inconclusive
> bikeshedding back and forth, eventually threw my hands up in disgust,
> and walked away.

Yeah we can sed this anytime later we want to, but we need to get the foot
in the door. There's also a pile more of these all over.

Acked-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>

on the series, maybe it helps? And yes let's merge this through drm-misc.
-Daniel

> 
> >
> >
> >> e. One alternative to all of this suggested by Christian K?nig
> >>    (43456ba7-c372-84cc-4949-dcb817188e21@amd.com) would be to add a
> >>    printk format. But besides the comment, he also seemed to like
> >>    the common function. This brought the argument from others that the
> >>    simple yesno()/enabledisable() already used in the code is easier to
> >>    remember and use than e.g. %py[DOY]
> >
> > Thanks for not going this way :-)
> >
> >> Last patch also has some additional conversion of open coded cases. I
> >> preferred starting with drm/ since this is "closer to home".
> >> 
> >> I hope this is a good summary of the previous attempts and a way we can
> >> move forward.
> >> 
> >> Andrew Morton, Petr Mladek, Andy Shevchenko: if this is accepted, my
> >> proposal is to take first 2 patches either through mm tree or maybe
> >> vsprintf. Last patch can be taken later through drm.
> >
> > I agree with Andy that it should go via drm tree. It would make it
> > easier to handle potential conflicts.
> >
> > Just in case, you decide to go with str_yes_no() or something similar.
> > Mass changes are typically done at the end on the merge window.
> > The best solution is when it can be done by a script.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Petr
> 
> -- 
> Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center

-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch