Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752320AbXBFWiU (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:38:20 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752321AbXBFWiU (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:38:20 -0500 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:53870 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752305AbXBFWiT (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:38:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error From: David Woodhouse To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Randy Dunlap , Ingo Molnar , Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <20070205084523.GA21858@elte.hu> <1170682488.29759.795.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205155627.GA8354@elte.hu> <1170692539.29759.856.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205162635.GA755@elte.hu> <20070205163152.GA2464@elte.hu> <1170710272.29759.894.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170711587.29759.909.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170712393.29759.925.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205143110.fca62b57.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <1170717694.29759.941.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170755101.29759.960.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:38:04 +0000 Message-Id: <1170801484.29759.1000.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2.1 (2.8.2.1-3.fc6.dwmw2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1856 Lines: 43 On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 08:53 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > WE WANT TO BE NICE. > - the firewall example was not an example of 'select', but of the "we > want to be nice". But you simply DID NOT GET IT. It's a very clever straw man, Linus, but it's still bogus. Not only do I _agree_ about the firewall example, I've even implemented very similar things already, of my own accord. I really do get it. I don't claim that we shouldn't "be nice". You keep coming back to that but it bears no relation to what I'm actually saying. > - the USB and SATA examples are *also* examples of "we want to be nice", > and hell yeah, you need 'select' to do them. Claiming anything else is > just stupid. > > So: are you stupid, or do you just refuse to even think about it? I claim that there are _better_ ways to do it than 'select'. I claim that we can 'be nice' without actually screwing over the people who use non-interactive config methods and need to turn stuff off. A number of whom have spoken up already but are perhaps less quixotic than I am so have given up on getting you to listen. 99% of the times I configure a kernel, it's in an RPM package. The answer "you can use xconfig and press the question mark" isn't wonderfully useful -- although having xconfig be the answer for those who need the extra guidance that 'select' currently offers is perhaps a more reasonable solution. But it doesn't matter. I'll come up with a hack for the tools which make them (optionally) treat 'select' of a user-visible option as if it was just 'depends on'. And that should fix the problem. -- dwmw2 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/