Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751528AbXBGADu (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:50 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752317AbXBGADu (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:50 -0500 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:60403 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751528AbXBGADt (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error From: David Woodhouse To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Randy Dunlap , Ingo Molnar , Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <1170801484.29759.1000.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170803515.29759.1032.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170804983.29759.1051.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:03:42 +0000 Message-Id: <1170806622.29759.1063.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2.1 (2.8.2.1-3.fc6.dwmw2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2180 Lines: 53 On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 15:55 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > Really, if our config is set up in sensible submenus (as in general it > > _is_), the "see everything" behaviour really isn't bad. > > There are two fundamental problems with that statement: > > - no, it really isn't always > > Quite often, our Kconfig files have dependencies that are about where > the *code* exists, rather than about some nice hierarchical system. > > Think of it this way: would you use a programming language that didn't > allow you anything but totally hierarcical language constructs? No sane > person would - because real life isn't hierarchical. Yes, there are > many things that are, but not all things are. > > Example: many cryptographic algorithms are in crypto/. But then a lot > of them ARE NOT. They are in arch/so-and-so/crypto/ or similar. Notice? > > NOT HIERARCHICAL. It isn't that far off, and we could improve it if we wanted to. In _general_ it's quite good already. > - I don't use menus at all. I use the good old textual "make oldconfig". > Trust me, I _want_ those irrelevant questions gone. They aren't "grayed > out". > > So you seem to have this *wish* that real life was different than it is. > But we aren't hierarchical, and even if we were, it *still* wouldn't work > the way you want things to work. It would work quite nicely in the graphical tools, although you've thrown me a little by wanting it in the hacker's tool 'oldconfig' too. You obviously care more about turning stuff _on_ with 'make oldconfig' while other people who've spoken up seem to care more, as I do, about turning stuff _off_ that way. If I want my hand held, I'm happy enough to use the graphical tools. I think the answer is probably just to go ahead and implement the 'make oldconfig_noselect' so we can all have what we want. -- dwmw2 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/