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From:   Dominick Grift <dominick.grift@defensec.nl>
To:     Chris PeBenito <chpebeni@linux.microsoft.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] SELinux: Always allow FIOCLEX and FIONCLEX
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Date:   Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:47:05 +0100
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        PeBenito's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:47:44 -0500")
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Chris PeBenito <chpebeni@linux.microsoft.com> writes:

> On 2/8/2022 09:17, William Roberts wrote:
>> <snip>
>> This is getting too long for me.
>> 
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a strong opinion either way.  If one were to allow this
>>>> using a policy rule, it would result in a major policy breakage.  The
>>>> rule would turn on extended perm checks across the entire system,
>>>> which the SELinux Reference Policy isn't written for.  I can't speak
>>>> to the Android policy, but I would imagine it would be the similar
>>>> problem there too.
>>>
>>> Excuse me if I am wrong but AFAIK adding a xperm rule does not turn on
>>> xperm checks across the entire system.
>> It doesn't as you state below its target + class.
>> 
>>>
>>> If i am not mistaken it will turn on xperm checks only for the
>>> operations that have the same source and target/target class.
>> That's correct.
>
> Just to clarify (Demi Marie also mentioned this earlier in the
> thread), what I originally meant was how to emulate this patch by
> using policy rules means you need a rule that allows the two ioctls on
> all domains for all objects.  That results in xperms checks enabled
> everywhere.

Thanks. That is clear now. I also learned that is pretty much what
Android's sepolicy is doing. That is probably not something I would do
(enable xperms globally). I would probably leverage it only for "devnode"
chr and maybe blk files and only where they actually are accessed.

I would not mind removing these two checks, but i am not a big user of
xperms (i only filter TIOSCTI on terminal chr files and only for the
entities that write or append them).

>
>
>>> This is also why i don't (with the exception TIOSCTI for termdev
>>> chr_file) use xperms by default.
>>>
>>> 1. it is really easy to selectively filter ioctls by adding xperm rules
>>> for end users (and since ioctls are often device/driver specific they
>>> know best what is needed and what not)
>> 
>>>>>> and FIONCLEX can be trivially bypassed unless fcntl(F_SETFD)
>>>
>>> 2. if you filter ioctls in upstream policy for example like i do with
>>> TIOSCTI using for example (allowx foo bar (ioctl chr_file (not
>>> (0xXXXX)))) then you cannot easily exclude additional ioctls later where source is
>>> foo and target/tclass is bar/chr_file because there is already a rule in
>>> place allowing the ioctl (and you cannot add rules)
>> Currently, fcntl flag F_SETFD is never checked, it's silently
>> allowed, but
>> the equivalent FIONCLEX and FIOCLEX are checked. So if you wrote policy
>> to block the FIO*CLEX flags, it would be bypassable through F_SETFD and
>> FD_CLOEXEC. So the patch proposed makes the FIO flags behave like
>> F_SETFD. Which means upstream policy users could drop this allow, which
>> could then remove the target/class rule and allow all icotls. Which is easy
>> to prevent and fix you could be a rule in to allowx 0 as documented in the
>> wiki: https://selinuxproject.org/page/XpermRules
>> The questions I think we have here are:
>> 1. Do we agree that the behavior between SETFD and the FIO flags are equivalent?
>>    I think they are.
>> 2. Do we want the interfaces to behave the same?
>>    I think they should.
>
> If you can bypass FIONCLEX and FIOCLEX checks by F_SETFD and
> FD_CLOEXEC, then I agree that the two FIO checks don't have value and
> can be skipped as F_SETFD is.
>
>> 3. Do upstream users of the policy construct care?
>>    The patch is backwards compat, but I don't want their to be cruft
>> floating around with extra allowxperm rules.
>
> Reference policy does not have any xperm rules at this time.  I looked
> at the Fedora policy, and that doesn't have any.

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