Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20;
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <20211130201652.2218636d@mail.inbox.lv> <2dc51fc8-f14e-17ed-a8c6-0ec70423bf54@valdikss.org.ru>
 <CAGsJ_4zMoV6UJGC_X-VRM7p8w68a0Q8sLVfS3sRFxuQUtHoASw@mail.gmail.com> <f6a335b7-9cd8-eb02-69b3-bdf15ebf69fa@valdikss.org.ru>
In-Reply-To: <f6a335b7-9cd8-eb02-69b3-bdf15ebf69fa@valdikss.org.ru>
From:   Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Date:   Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:01:54 +1300
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4zeNCTTTOG3BnbMYzg+bcNKtbjYQTOqCzBv4Jr2k_a4oA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmscan: add sysctl knobs for protecting the working set
To:     ValdikSS <iam@valdikss.org.ru>
Cc:     Alexey Avramov <hakavlad@inbox.lv>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
        Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
        linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, mcgrof@kernel.org,
        Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
        Iurii Zaikin <yzaikin@google.com>, oleksandr@natalenko.name,
        kernel@xanmod.org, aros@gmx.com, hakavlad@gmail.com,
        Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Precedence: bulk

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:19 PM ValdikSS <iam@valdikss.org.ru> wrote:
>
> On 13.12.2021 11:38, Barry Song wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 5:47 AM ValdikSS <iam@valdikss.org.ru> wrote:
> >>
> >> This patchset is surprisingly effective and very useful for low-end PC
> >> with slow HDD, single-board ARM boards with slow storage, cheap Androi=
d
> >> smartphones with limited amount of memory. It almost completely preven=
ts
> >> thrashing condition and aids in fast OOM killer invocation.
> >>
> >
> > Can you please post your hardware information like what is the cpu, how=
 much
> > memory you have and also post your sysctl knobs, like how do you set
> > vm.anon_min_kbytes,  vm.clean_low_kbytes and vm.clean_min_kbytes?
>
> I have a typical office computer of year 2007:
>
> * Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-945GCM-S2L (early LGA775 socket, GMA950
> integrated graphics, September 2007)
> * 2 core 64 bit CPU: Intel=C2=AE Core=E2=84=A22 Duo E4600 (2 cores, 2.4 G=
Hz, late 2007)
> * 2 GB of RAM (DDR2 667 MHz, single module)
> * Very old and slow 160 GB Hard Disk: Samsung HD161HJ (SATA II, June 2007=
):
> * No discrete graphics card
>
> I used vm.clean_low_kbytes=3D384000 (384 MB) to keep most of file cache i=
n
> memory, because the HDD is slow and every data re-read leads to
> uncomfortable freezes and slow work.
>
> More information, including the video, is here:
> https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/linux-for-old-pc-from-2007/en/

thanks!

>
> >
> >> The similar file-locking patch is used in ChromeOS for nearly 10 years
> >> but not on stock Linux or Android. It would be very beneficial for
> >> lower-performance Android phones, SBCs, old PCs and other devices.
> >>
> >
> > Can you post the link of the similar file-locking patch?
>
> Here's a patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/28/289
> Here's more in-depth description: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/1/20

thanks, seems to be quite similar with this patch.

>
> Please also note that another Google developer, Yu Zhao, has also made a
> modern version of this (ChromiumOS) patch called MGLRU, the goal of
> which is quite similar to le9 (the patch we're discussing here), but
> with "more brains":
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220104202247.2903702-1-yuzhao@google.com/T=
/#m8fd2a29bc557d27d1000f837f65b6c930eef9dff
>
> Please take a moment and read the information in the link above. Yu Zhao
> develops this patch for almost two years and knows the issue better than
> me, a casual user.
>

Thanks for all the information you provided. I think I have noticed MGLRU
for a while. Curiously, does MGLRU also resolve your problem of using
"a typical office computer of year 2007" ?

>
> >
> >> With this patch, combined with zram, I'm able to run the following
> >> software on an old office PC from 2007 with __only 2GB of RAM__
> >> simultaneously:
> >>
> >>    * Firefox with 37 active tabs (all data in RAM, no tab unloading)
> >>    * Discord
> >>    * Skype
> >>    * LibreOffice with the document opened
> >>    * Two PDF files (14 and 47 megabytes in size)
> >>
> >> And the PC doesn't crawl like a snail, even with 2+ GB in zram!
> >> Without the patch, this PC is barely usable.
> >> Please watch the video:
> >> https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/linux-for-old-pc-from-2007/en/
> >>
> >
> > The video was captured before using this patch? what video says
> > "the result of the test computer after the configuration", what does
> > "the configuration" mean?
>
> The video was captured after the patch. Before the patch, it's basically
> not possible to use Firefox only with 20+ tabs because the PC enters
> thrashing condition and reacts so slow that even mouse cursor freezes
> frequently. The PC is absolutely unusable for any decent work without
> the patch, regardless of swappiness, vm.min_free_kbytes or any other
> tunables.
>
> The configuration is this patch with vm.clean_low_kbytes=3D384000 and 150=
%
> zram. More information is provided on the website.

thanks!

>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Barry

Thanks
Barry