Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964916AbXBOGva (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:51:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964923AbXBOGv3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:51:29 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]:56110 "EHLO vms048pub.verizon.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964921AbXBOGv3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:51:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:51:22 -0500 From: Gene Heskett Subject: Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers In-reply-to: <17875.64112.54164.635911@notabene.brown> To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: Neil Brown , "v j" Message-id: <200702150151.24748.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Organization: Not detectable MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <9b3a62ab0702142115m4ea7d2c0m6869eb64ef3ee14e@mail.gmail.com> <9b3a62ab0702142116n4069e16cl1bc8f546f41d935@mail.gmail.com> <17875.64112.54164.635911@notabene.brown> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2627 Lines: 53 On Thursday 15 February 2007, Neil Brown wrote: >On Wednesday February 14, vj.linux@gmail.com wrote: >> However we have a worrying trend here. If at some point it becomes >> illegal to load our modules into the linux kernel, then it is >> unacceptable to us. We would have been better off choosing VxWorks or >> OSE 3 years ago when we made an OS choice. The fact that Linux is >> becoming more and more closed is very very alarming. > >Might I suggest that you give very serious consideration to >open-sourcing your drivers? There are benefits and well as costs, and >many have found that the benefits substantially out weigh the costs. > >NeilBrown Speaking as one who has not contributed back to the kernel other than an occasional bug report as I'm getting too old to code alongside these wizards, please let me say: That's an admirable bit of advice Neil, but I have serious doubts it will fall on a fertile mind. From vj's tone here, its obvious that he thinks its fine to leech his income stream from code that is free. And giving one teeny little patch for some utility back seems to make him think he has paid the bill. Methinks he has not paid the bill in kind because its an ongoing rental. Now, if he _were_ to contribute his top secret drivers into the kernel tree, how are we to convince vj that it is in his best interest in the long run to do so? After all, the many eyeballs theory will guarantee that his codebase will not go untouched because bugs he doesn't even know exist will be noticed and fixed, and routine speedups of 2x are entirely possible too. He will in the long run get back faster, more stable code which can't do anything but enhance the value of his hardware, both in how well it runs, but in the public's perception too, simply because it IS in the kernel tree and therefore very well reviewed. And that vj, is an advertising point of no little value. But, I suspect by now he has pulled the batteries out of his hearing aid so he doesn't have to listen to any more of this blasphemous talk. Sad... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/