Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965632AbXBOLGl (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:06:41 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965847AbXBOLGl (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:06:41 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:1692 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965632AbXBOLGk (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:06:40 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KMHYDfSDXK+0XZtRR6BSqTxEVJTaDb4HbqJRy9rPSv+HE/6cEG33IuLKso1SIe8PMbF++/9UJ2gryKIemgCAQdhWjkW7ZV4T/bpRVySrRdWpY8Q9mSrugbk075+QE9V0RIl57l7mAtckl8bw/UKXLM20o+K+96CnAPyuSH+zHLk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:06:35 +0100 From: "Ihar `Philips` Filipau" To: "v j" Subject: Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2520 Lines: 49 > Our source code is meaningless to the Open > Source community at large. It is only useful to our tiny set > of competitors that have nothing to do with Linux. The Embedded > space is very specific. We are only _using_ Linux. Just as we > could have used VxWorks or OSE. Using our source code would > not benefit anybody but our competitors. What a load of B.S. I'm working with embedded Linux for five years and hear that shit more or less every day. Is it mantra for happiness here or what? That's TOTALLY wrong. You basically are saying that your main competitors are your own customers. People do with stuff absolutely unpredictable things creators often even cannot think about. And then they become your /competitors/. That what is called "innovation". Linux precisely thriving, since it gave power back to consumers - and allowed them to use things they have bought to their fullest. Few people can clearly state what they need - and Linux allow them (w/o thinking hard formulating on bug report to you - and sparing your time on guessing what user really wants) to take it and adopt it to their own needs. I have customers who did absolutely crazy things with embedded systems - putting to better use those few resources original system had left redundant. (Just recall LinkSys' WRT54G - and it is just but one of the examples. In corporate world it is also happening all the time - just let customers in.) Also, to the question of "not benefit anybody". I have seen piles of rare/obscure hardware which is rare/obscure precisely because there are no drivers for it. And guess how hardware/OS selection works: primary question is availability of ready drivers and/or effort it would take to adopt existing drivers. This is vital part of embedded system costs: engineering costs. Your vendor had driven itself into lock-in: you have unique drivers for unique piece hardware and costs cannot be cut because hardware doesn't become commodity. And it can't become commodity (nor can be standardized) due to lack of open drivers. ".. and I've seen it before, .. and I'll see it again" (c) Propellerheads. -- Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. -- Albert Camus (attributed to) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/