Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S966139AbXBOQyJ (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:54:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S966140AbXBOQyI (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:54:08 -0500 Received: from THUNK.ORG ([69.25.196.29]:36814 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S966139AbXBOQyH (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:54:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:53:39 -0500 From: Theodore Tso To: v j Cc: Dave Jones , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers Message-ID: <20070215165339.GB5285@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Tso , v j , Dave Jones , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <9b3a62ab0702142115m4ea7d2c0m6869eb64ef3ee14e@mail.gmail.com> <9b3a62ab0702142116n4069e16cl1bc8f546f41d935@mail.gmail.com> <20070215061149.GE15654@redhat.com> <9b3a62ab0702142227j19386132s870a0e745cfbb8d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9b3a62ab0702142227j19386132s870a0e745cfbb8d1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2172 Lines: 39 On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:27:10PM -0800, v j wrote: > You are right. I have not contributed anything to Linux. Except one > small patch to the MTD code. However, I don't think that is the point > here. I am perfectly willing to live with the way Linux is today. I am > telling you as a user that if Linux continues on the current path it > will become less and less attractive to Embedded Users. But so what? How will that hurt *Linux*? If the Embedded developers don't contribute changes back, it doesn't hurt us any if they go away and start paying $$$ to VxWorks instead of using Linux for free. Contrawise, if Embedded developers do contribute their device driver changes back to the kernel, they will be fine. Note that we don't even force them to do the work to make it be mainline acceptable; they just have to make the sources available. It could be crap code, but it will fulfill the requirements of the the GPL. Others in the community can make the decision about whether they want to clean up the code and get it mainlined, or it ignore it if it truly is a one-off driver. All you have to do is make the driver available. And if you don't, why do you think that it is at all a credible threat, or that we should shed even one tear, if you go away and use some other OS for your embedded product? It's not like in the case of VxWorks where you get to say, "Do X or we take away a million dollars worth of business." And on the flip side, what I think you will find is that if you do contribute to the community and be a good community member, others will cut you some slack when the time comes because you've built up the good karma. But that requires that you be a good community member. If in contrast you find that it's cheaper to pay $$$ to some embedded OS company, please feel free to do this. No one is forcing you to move from Linux 2.4 to Linux 2.6, or even to stay with Linux. - Ted - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/