Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:30:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:30:34 -0500 Received: from krusty.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE ([129.217.163.1]:44807 "HELO krusty.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:30:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:30:20 +0100 From: Matthias Andree To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? Message-ID: <20011125133020.C1811@emma1.emma.line.org> Mail-Followup-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20011124103642.A32278@vega.ipal.net> <20011124184119.C12133@emma1.emma.line.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Florian Weimer wrote: > > However, if it's really true that DTLA drives and their successor > > corrupt blocks (generate bad blocks) on power loss during block writes, > > these drives are crap. > > They do, even IBM admits that (on > > http://www.cooling-solutions.de/dtla-faq > > you find a quote from IBM confirming this). IBM says it's okay, you > have to expect this to happen. So much for their expertise in making > hard disks. This makes me feel rather dizzy (lots of IBM drives in > use). Well, claiming the OS to cause hard errors? Design fault. Claiming DC loss to cause hard errors? Design fault. IBM would really better shed some real light on this issue, and if they spoiled their firmware (heck, there ARE firmware updates for OEM disks of the 75GXP series) or electronics, they'd better admit that so as to reinstore the trust people had before DTLA drives were sold. FUD works its way, so personally, I'm not buying IBM drives until this issue is FULLY resolved, so I presume, I won't buy any DTLA or and IC35Lxx drives of the current series. This is not a recommendation, just what I'm doing. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/