Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1423001AbXBPBsj (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:48:39 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1423008AbXBPBsj (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:48:39 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:38852 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1423001AbXBPBsi (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:48:38 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k9ZE2cZcHK3G3FxJnD04DnpsldzOIpwL6K9nehm7sXV//Mf0k0guUlCkIcOnPcwVp7pGyy9k1ZtE2aLuhXObd5V5GvyBGmjTdqpi9kvQ+Is4uUb5dzmHjs44M+Arcfyknzr9Cgzz1C+wvc9tytv2wNEKDWwQHTNCFBWav7QD01Y= Message-ID: <7b69d1470702151748l72a2de5ci5f8135f0f9b293b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:48:37 -0600 From: "Scott Preece" To: "Gene Heskett" Subject: Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "v j" , "Theodore Tso" , "Dave Jones" In-Reply-To: <200702151742.15850.gene.heskett@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9b3a62ab0702142115m4ea7d2c0m6869eb64ef3ee14e@mail.gmail.com> <20070215165339.GB5285@thunk.org> <9b3a62ab0702151020k5bd0e4c9w763e1b01288ccc4f@mail.gmail.com> <200702151742.15850.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2321 Lines: 54 On 2/15/07, Gene Heskett wrote: > This definition seems to be a bit like nailing jelly to a tree in that so > far only one companies legal dept has pursued this to the point of > actually getting a court verdict rendered. That was the German ruling a > link was given to earlier in this thread(s). --- The German decision did not go anywhere near the question of kernel modules. It was a nice victory that the court decided the license was enforceable, but the details of the license are still largely untested. --- > ... > I'm a bit like Clint Eastwood here, do you feel lucky? If not, then > please comply with the terms of the software you have chosen to base your > product on. --- Note that it's not just "lucy", but "rich". Both sides would spend a LOT of money if this went to court in the US. And, of course, "the terms of the software [license]" are exactly what the case would be deciding. There wouldn't be a case unless the two parties had different views of the terms of the license. --- > As you have been told here repeatedly, a distribution to > your customers of code that is based on the GPL'd kernel headers does > bring you into non-compliance with the terms of the GPL. You can do > anything you want in house, but the minute that code ships, that is > a "distribution" and the GPL applies in full force in that its all made > GPL, or you cannot legally ship it. I don't know how it can be said any > plainer than that. But of course IANAL, so talk to yours, please. --- I also ANAL, but even so I can point out that your assertion and Greg KH's assertions do not have the force of law. Questions like "what is a derived work" and "what does 'unrelated' mean" in the license are just not black-and-white. I don't like niggling about interpretation, either, especially with material that someone has contributed to the community; I think it's rude and possibly unethical and that not testing the limits avoids any danger of impropriety. But claiming it's clear what the license requires is simply misleading. scott - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/