Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932418AbXBSRsu (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:48:50 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932432AbXBSRsu (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:48:50 -0500 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.169]:1309 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932418AbXBSRst (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:48:49 -0500 From: "David Schwartz" To: Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" , "Neil Brown" Subject: RE: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:48:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3d57814d0702171726l403c7812n19f2a226cba02e5d@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:49:03 -0800 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:49:03 -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2994 Lines: 62 > Sigh. VJ is distributing the linux kernel with proprietary > extensions. If you want to argue that the proprietary extensions in > isolation are not derivative works of the kernel, fine, you might have > a case, but the combined work, which VJ is distributing is *clearly* a > derivative work and must be distributed under the terms of the GPL. There is no such thing as the "combined work". If I put a DVD of The Phantom Menace in the same box as a DVD of The Big Lebowski, the box is not a "combined work". VJ is, presumably, distributing the Linux kernel and some additional works that he has written. There is no "combined work" just because the two works are distributed on the same media. There isn't even a "combined work" just because the two works were designed to work together. (The DVD of the Phantom Menace was designed to work with the firmware in my DVD player, but it's absurd to argue that there is a "combined work" or that one is derivative of the other.) > Despite which, legal bullshit is best left for lawyers.. the *intent* > of the GPL is that if you distribute *any* changes, extensions or > plugins for a GPL work, you do so under the GPL. Suppose the intent of the Microsoft EULA was that if you ever used Windows, Microsoft owned every work of software you ever wrote. Should this "intent" be honored? This kind of intent -- the intent of a license author to try to leverage the license to own someone else's work, should be ridiculed and dishonored. > The law may not > allow for this to be enforced, but it shouldn't need to.. one should > read the GPL as 100% enforceable and follow it without looking for > "loop holes" as it is the stated desire of how the author of the code > wants you to use his work. Looking for loop holes, and worse yet, > discussing those loop holes in a public place, is just insulting. I think this is a completely irrational view. The GPL *is* the rule we've all been playing by. Not something in RMS' head. People who have chosen to apply the GPL know what the GPL says, and only to some extent know what other people meant or intended by it. The GPL *is* the rule. As for law and loop holes, that's the supreme irony. The same people who argue that people have too little freedom and intellectual property rights are too great (and who oppose software patents) still seem to argue that when *their* intellectual property is at stake, not even the law and the text of their license limits their powers and control. Let's not be a bunch of hypocrites. > Yes, it does matter.. the author of the work has defined the terms > under which you may use it.. if you don't like it, don't use the work. Right, don't believe all that crap about "freedom". That's just PR speak. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/