Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965037AbXBTPSf (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:18:35 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965021AbXBTPSf (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:18:35 -0500 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk ([217.147.92.49]:42071 "EHLO vavatch.codon.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965015AbXBTPSe (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:18:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:18:13 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Jean Delvare Cc: Chuck Ebbert , Rudolf Marek , linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel , lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org Message-ID: <20070220151813.GA6581@srcf.ucam.org> References: <45D5EA88.7090300@redhat.com> <45D6DDCE.5050803@assembler.cz> <45D7461A.2040808@redhat.com> <20070218183805.5a4fd813.khali@linux-fr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070218183805.5a4fd813.khali@linux-fr.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mjg59@codon.org.uk Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI? X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:35:45 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on vavatch.codon.org.uk) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1470 Lines: 30 On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 06:38:05PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > ACPI is broken here, not k8temp, so let's fix ACPI instead. ACPI > doesn't conflict with only k8temp, but with virtually all hardware > monitoring drivers, all I2C/SMBus drivers, and probably other types of > drivers too. We just can't restrict or blacklist all these drivers > because ACPI misbehaves. No, the simple fact of the matter is that if you're running on an ACPI platform you need to change some of your assumptions. ACPI owns the hardware. The OS doesn't. To an extent this has always been true on laptops and servers /anyway/ - the BIOS is free to have a wide variety of SMM insanity that invalidates basic assumptions like "If I hold this lock, nothing can interrupt me between this write and this read". That's simply not true. So this isn't about fixing ACPI. It's about trying to find a mechanism that allows ACPI and raw hardware drivers to coexist, which is made somewhat harder by it not being a situation that the platform designers have considered in the slightest. The suggested low-level driver for io-port arbitration would certainly be a step forward in making this work better. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/