Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752018AbXBVWmk (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:42:40 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752019AbXBVWmk (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.242]:50741 "EHLO an-out-0708.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752018AbXBVWmj (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:42:39 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HZHUC6QYOynXwedAsEvF1GQeTb75UMHogz+nhCAuQoxmCH1oVRc/U46rCQKyWJ/CNCmgCgCzeWDxIcHCR444j1k+IBhSSf/5LpTVKJdpTrynVvby+L2BOOSPl+Ujo8T7PQecgk4tqyM/wfiMdt0WUjSnRIHZcWEh9Z/L8KYOLWo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:42:38 -0800 From: "Michael K. Edwards" To: Alan Subject: Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers Cc: "D. Hazelton" , "David Lang" , davids@webmaster.com, "v j" , trent.waddington@gmail.com, "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" , "Neil Brown" In-Reply-To: <20070222141434.3beb8a94@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3d57814d0702191458l1021caeyaefd7775398c5f2a@mail.gmail.com> <200702212030.58317.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070222141434.3beb8a94@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1952 Lines: 39 On 2/22/07, Alan wrote: > > compiler people caught on to the economic opportunity. Ever pay $5K > > for a CD full of GNU binaries for a commercial UNIX? I did, after > > No because I just downloaded them. Much easier and since they are GPL I > was allowed to do so, then rebuilt them all which took about 30 minutes > of brain time and a day of CPU time. Oh yeah? For IRIX in 1991? Or for that matter, for Linux/ARM EABI today? Tell me, how many of what sort of users do you support singlehandedly in an environment where you are a minority architecture and everyone else takes the GNU tools for granted? God knows I've got better things to do with my time than roll the compiler-flag dice again and again trying to get a sketchy GCC port not to ICE or, worse, generate subtly broken code. If it's so bloody easy, how do CodeSourcery and MontaVista and Red Hat stay in business? Not with the quality of their code or their customer service, I'll tell you that -- although Mark Mitchell is probably the best release manager that any GNU project has ever had. > Oh, please. Steve Ballmer doesn't waste his time trying to explain to overpaid GNU/Linux Morlocks (among which I number myself) how the legal and economic underpinnings of their industry work and why they shouldn't RAPE THEMSELVES playing stupid EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL games and cryptographically signing kernel modules. But don't worry -- neither do I beyond a couple of weeks after something really dunderheaded sets me off, and in the meantime, you know where to find your keyboard's "stick my fingers in my ears and shout la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you" key. :-) Cheers, - Michael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/