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[2620:137:e000::1:18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w14-20020aa7954e000000b004f6ded4bc59si3695276pfq.320.2022.03.16.23.22.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 16 Mar 2022 23:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:18 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@google.com header.s=20210112 header.b=KGCqtvYn; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=google.com Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203DC262419; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 22:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1343942AbiCOAcB (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 14 Mar 2022 20:32:01 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34646 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1343941AbiCOAb5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Mar 2022 20:31:57 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-x1134.google.com (mail-yw1-x1134.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1134]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 055DE1175 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-x1134.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-2dbc48104beso184483477b3.5 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ttzvwq9I0TQ4jif4LoygDGblVs4Yoa7tTQiwPFiKh50=; b=KGCqtvYnBAQFT/k3LjS2ZZZ6j05TmB+/SyqBL+kerzHGgZxZsPQfGJCFaEJMlXHt4T x+7dJidm19+MqgNrAn+poyVBx2+enjkHGJvc3aYPkP2DkjIFzgrR5CiSwKzN8CGc6biU hKK+loUR7vR3dht3k0gEmbUo9KvvBsWUe4UckHjPwUI2kbTYhjaOajmLKTv79rV+tLOZ /uIURzZuSEu0u2Un3sQlO0LOraXWE+fxguup9wNjOuA449Qb0TT8PuIPlaS3PDl4MxT0 fX4Z0xpsMd3MboCuUvnZy79Nd+0So0I3q87Fg4telQhMGITPU16Dk2tsE8WHthY1qu6t FD4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ttzvwq9I0TQ4jif4LoygDGblVs4Yoa7tTQiwPFiKh50=; b=ZtJ3LeH4DyG4NyiGUJul5ltSH4CJwhFuOETg2T7PzerItJfv5QtnSYIkW5X4CJR/2s pyeXsY1SCfJnhnH6bGMPi9YlwUpNh+6G3xpNeQYfLiZng62RZbiexaodDwZ1xvml9NGQ mjw+q1a8BWu/3KE5ZENEVS8D/2L75RuFW8lADOJCjTULhcHZjbnxR7Iu1B8vZm0V7A7z pOCRwpy7Wob65M8BzVZItoIfNXVmAL+MD5RhQbFQm8qcWPRghal3Ss46MLyY/B1te/6g JVR8Le5Om15Mlps7xVwzEEPmMyp+gwXm64VF4wKAP8Imh9ywrKTs1OWcJVolAyAMgv/U nkZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532wbLT00B+5uF2OMyYf6FXrJxuTMSf8aXTblo1U/liw+tPoaKih /uN0Ar7PdQKYOayf60HKIuePFvZw0q/Z44bYDNqjjQ== X-Received: by 2002:a81:320b:0:b0:2e5:457e:245e with SMTP id y11-20020a81320b000000b002e5457e245emr9755350ywy.306.1647304245921; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:30:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220312120309.GB6235@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20220313090222.GL28057@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: From: Josh Don Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [External] Re: Subject: [PATCH] sched/fair: prioritize normal task over sched_idle task with vruntime offset To: chenying Cc: Peter Zijlstra , Ingo Molnar , Juri Lelli , Vincent Guittot , Dietmar Eggemann , Steven Rostedt , Mel Gorman , Daniel Bristot de Oliveira , Benjamin Segall , linux-kernel , duanxiongchun@bytedance.com, zhouchengming@bytedance.com, songmuchun@bytedance.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com, zhoufeng.zf@bytedance.com, ligang.bdlg@bytedance.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 3:07 AM chenying wrote: > > If I set the sched_idle_vruntime_offset to a relatively small value > (e.g. 10 minutes), can this issues be avoided? That's still long enough to cause lockups. Is the issue that you have a large number of sched_idle entities, and the occasional latency sensitive thing that wakes up for a short duration? Have you considered approaching this from the other direction (ie. if we have a latency sensitive thing wake onto a cpu running only sched idle stuff, we could change entity placement to position the latency sensitive thing further left on the timeline, akin to !GENTLE_FAIR_SLEEPERS).