From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Alan <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Samium Gromoff <_deepfire@feelingofgreen.ru>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
       Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, David Wagner <daw@cs.berkeley.edu>,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Undo some of the pseudo-security madness
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> Randomisation has nothing to do with C. In fact from a C perspective the
> compiler and linker do a lot of work to deal with ELF and loading code at
> arbitary addresses for dynamic linking and the like, not the user and
> not as language constructs. Perhaps the Lisp universe should wake up and
> meet the 1980s 8)

Uhm, C++ folks and others have run into loader performance issues due
to the way DSOs are handled.  The problem is more severe in the lisp
context because a typical image contains hundreds of thousands of
small objects on startup.
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