Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:05:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:05:37 -0500 Received: from mauve.demon.co.uk ([158.152.209.66]:5761 "EHLO mauve.demon.co.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:05:23 -0500 From: Ian Stirling Message-Id: <200111270101.BAA01290@mauve.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? To: jlundell@pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: nitrax@giron.wox.org (Martin Eriksson), xioborg@yahoo.com (Steve Brueggeman), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan Lundell" at Nov 26, 2001 04:18:15 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > At 12:49 AM +0100 11/27/01, Martin Eriksson wrote: > >I sure think the drives could afford the teeny-weeny cost of a power failure > converter, which is expensive. If you simply detect a drop in dc > power, there simply isn't enough margin to reliably write a block. > > Years (many years) back, Diablo had a short-lived model (400, IIRC) > that had an interesting twist on this. On a power failure, the > spinning disk (this was in the days of 14" platters, so plenty of > energy) drove the spindle motor as a generator, providing power to > the drive electronics for several seconds before it spun down to > below operating speed. I have a (IIRC) elantec databook from 1985 or so, that I've found chips in disks from the MFM/RLL PC era. These are motor driver chips aimed at PCs, which support generation using the motor. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/