Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1031620AbXEAJQu (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 May 2007 05:16:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1031613AbXEAJQu (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 May 2007 05:16:50 -0400 Received: from nic.NetDirect.CA ([216.16.235.2]:60107 "EHLO rubicon.netdirect.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1031620AbXEAJQs (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 May 2007 05:16:48 -0400 X-Originating-Ip: 74.109.98.66 Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: Christoph Hellwig cc: Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: pcmcia ioctl removal In-Reply-To: <20070501084623.GB14364@infradead.org> Message-ID: References: <20070430162007.ad46e153.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20070501084623.GB14364@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-36.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -15.00, INIT_RECVD_OUR_AUTH -20.00) X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-From: rpjday@mindspring.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2011 Lines: 55 On Tue, 1 May 2007, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > pcmcia-delete-obsolete-pcmcia_ioctl-feature.patch > > ... > > > Dominik is busy. Will probably re-review and send these direct to Linus. > > The patch above is the removal of cardmgr support. While I'd love > to see this cruft gone it definitively needs maintainer judgement on > whether they time has come that no one relies on cardmgr anymore. since i was the one who submitted the original patch to remove that stuff, let me make an observation. when i submitted a patch to remove, for instance, the traffic shaper since it's clearly obsolete, i was told -- in no uncertain terms -- that that couldn't be done since there had been no warning about its impending removal. fair enough, i can accept that. on the other hand, the features removal file contains the following: ... What: PCMCIA control ioctl (needed for pcmcia-cs [cardmgr, cardctl]) When: November 2005 ... in other words, the PCMCIA ioctl feature *has* been listed as obsolete for quite some time, and is already a *year and a half* overdue for removal. in short, it's annoying to take the position that stuff can't be deleted without warning, then turn around and be reluctant to remove stuff for which *more than ample warning* has already been given. doing that just makes a joke of the features removal file, and makes you wonder what its purpose is in the first place. a little consistency would be nice here, don't you think? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ======================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/