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Date:   Sun, 1 May 2022 07:22:12 +0100
From:   "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To:     Peter Geis <pgwipeout@gmail.com>
Cc:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] net: phy: fix motorcomm module automatic loading
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On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 12:31:27PM -0400, Peter Geis wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:52 AM Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > Good Morning,
> > >
> > > After testing various configurations I found what is actually
> > > happening here. When libphy is built in but the phy drivers are
> > > modules and not available in the initrd, the generic phy driver binds
> > > here. This allows the phy to come up but it is not functional.
> >
> > What MAC are you using?
> 
> Specifically Motorcomm, but I've discovered it can happen with any of
> the phy drivers with the right kconfig.
> 
> >
> > Why is you interface being brought up by the initramfs? Are you using
> > NFS root from within the initramfs?
> 
> This was discovered with embedded programming. It's common to have a
> small initramfs, or forgo an initramfs altogether.

If you're talking about embedded, it makes more sense to have the PHY
drivers built-in. They will take up less text and data space that way.
Typically, PHY drivers have very small amounts of text and data, and
both of these end up being rounded up to a page size when loaded as a
module.

> Another cause is a
> mismatch in kernel config where phylib is built in because of a
> dependency, but the rest of the phy drivers are modular.
> The key is:
> - phylib is built in
> - ethernet driver is built in
> - the phy driver is a module
> - modules aren't available at probe time (for any reason).

This is why many ethernet drivers connect with their PHY in their
.ndo_open method, rather than at probe time.

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