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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix is_pinnable_page against on cma page
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On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 06:02:33PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 03.05.22 17:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 03:15:24AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> However, I assume we have the same issue right now already with
> >>>> ZONE_MOVABLE and MIGRATE_CMA when trying to pin a page residing on these
> >>>
> >>> ZONE_MOVALBE is also changed dynamically?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Sorry, with "same issue" I meant failing to pin if having to migrate and
> >> the page is temporarily unmovable.
> >>
> >>>> there are temporarily unmovable and we fail to migrate. But it would now
> >>>> apply even without ZONE_MOVABLE or MIGRATE_CMA. Hm...
> >>>
> >>> Didn't parse your last mention.
> >>
> >> On a system that neither uses ZONE_MOVABLE nor MIGRATE_CMA we might have
> >> to migrate now when pinning.
> > 
> > I don't understand your point. My problem is pin_user_pages with
> > FOLL_LONGTERM. It shouldn't pin a page from ZONE_MOVABLE and cma area
> > without migrating page out of movable zone or CMA area.
> > That's why try_grab_folio checks whether target page stays in those
> > movable areas. However, to check CMA area, is_migrate_cma_page is
> > racy so the FOLL_LONGTERM flag semantic is broken right now.
> > 
> > Do you see any problem of the fix?
> 
> My point is that you might decide to migrate a page because you stumble
> over MIGRATE_ISOLATE, although there is no need to reject long-term
> pinning and to trigger page migration.
> 
> Assume a system without ZONE_MOVABLE and without MIGRATE_CMA. Assume
> someone reserves gigantic pages (alloc_contig_range()) and you have
> concurrent long-term pinning on a page that is no MIGRATE_ISOLATE.
> 
> GUP would see MIGRATE_ISOLATE and would reject pinning. The page has to
> be migrated, which can fail if the page is temporarily unmovable.

A dump question since I'm not familiar with hugetlb.

Is above reasonable scenario?

The gigantic page is about to be created using alloc_contig_range so
they has MIGRATE_ISOLATE as temporal state. It means no one uses the
page yet so I guess the page is not mapped at userspace but other is
trying to access the page using pin_user_pages?

> 
> See my point? We will try migrating in cases where we don't have to
> migrate. I think what we would want to do is always reject pinning a CMA
> page, independent of the isolation status. but we don't have that
> information available.
> 
> I raised in the past that we should look into preserving the migration
> type and turning MIGRATE_ISOLATE essentially into an additional flag.
> 
> 
> So I guess this patch is the right thing to do for now, but I wanted to
> spell out the implications.