Received: by 2002:a6b:500f:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id e15csp1268304iob; Thu, 12 May 2022 15:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy1oHOpWgmRXt+jnKd3k2oZ4HSpKLSzWdNHJgTg8VOU4sI8aLyBdwO6RlwgjqLoE3gdSWdD X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:ebc8:b0:15f:3f5d:9d08 with SMTP id p8-20020a170902ebc800b0015f3f5d9d08mr1861631plg.121.1652394054778; Thu, 12 May 2022 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1652394054; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=vMCQ7g9YAyCtNMtwCNLs1+DWIQu6MRQ0YhMNfwxpaVXCNG6EwQLnMOKByL5VJD0ZvZ 84S/020M8ACwBlMuDTjJTybhY/mFcXu2RRpeaXx5T5ziuDU8oIkKFE7jCE3aEtzVnyA0 Cu+tNdFxxEcquVSqFkVy2OpXAhPXQHChHzq9vlxXwEj7cZ051HlcVQTO3XZlWExz4kzy ugSbhRjOmqnmaBujmQeZKphIgPGK4k/vZVF1Ht0lyG3UEWbvRsMYM7StP1zq6D+LvzYl AL2vLXQ+sk3Q65GCWesXokB+UqhE/PkWvWPAWZj5pulCH46W1LUNlWGDngJlX0bkvzdI E/Hw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:dkim-signature; bh=jDHOqKOOly/u6UGesDlSvrOYIRtvk+Gi75eJQoAcvU8=; b=oXtSMA+LIevIDD0QZz+GJlhnzbeFGWRXcCZlEswkZsl4cJ3KWzX0amyrXM5Zl7ZJ8V AKHEyiOA4Uus/Pzo4WE6y+N7eAkyA3VbBkgcTDdMftyPABbN8/KF89+hj5ez1yK7Mswy ulzn42B9mkNlA4ka9JuqLydMJSvZmg22CS0/DXugBIHPLS7BkEPkoBka3LNbpyZ1c3E6 /ceYQHv5DnLKS0hLXob/UWg1sWJpnDpEsRkGuQC4wv4GW+SjSPlccRHqH4TLHiZUu7MJ ds83zF1oM5sn22lvB31kLkGFAHGOoL93o/X5pElW/zo5CDzXZnsyLmVKY1hUxolpLVOk unCw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.s=google header.b=ajie93Gk; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email. [2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l127-20020a633e85000000b003aa502eb632si846923pga.113.2022.05.12.15.20.42; Thu, 12 May 2022 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.s=google header.b=ajie93Gk; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1356948AbiELRTv (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 12 May 2022 13:19:51 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34936 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1356937AbiELRTq (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 May 2022 13:19:46 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B57C626AD8B for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id y21so7102056edo.2 for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jDHOqKOOly/u6UGesDlSvrOYIRtvk+Gi75eJQoAcvU8=; b=ajie93GkyM3bMzgPSyr9+zDuLO8qmNsBGOmDLDAYe2chL7Y1Dex40FgP7wpA+YsFVS PbCwBPFRrhD1wKMyrktSA2hu4sY+A8Snezdkh2Pl31GtbbWKUVs17izWFz1kX+D2q2GT 3Kh1nj3RjFExJpH9SEac2MgWbeFHQCaqrxqgg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jDHOqKOOly/u6UGesDlSvrOYIRtvk+Gi75eJQoAcvU8=; b=dlfiWXqVKKfVy8fYSiNrNDFZ3Wtu80u/AlTlbQxHJx6Gz0vd+4oz0AHNiFRYQPWQQP xfu6kDFKyIVcuI+dfLLsjFdEieO+JKhsXo0TaT9yjEpphmAxHCMauyxOS2oulNzZpeUj PRYpf90kttNDFHwOhtVFLcTkdexnCjRozhTI7+w+39U3sIq1DILYvCAK0byJLCWbm6tW e1gkS6H3G5lsC0c0miIub8BqeLmV7GDuVGdDJTGaAsXrlxWfNejATyUIWqoKikUenk4I RPQubRN/9ofSXQWfrbqz4J3ja0ztxF06j7g7uhrzWKB3nDw8FrHu5NG+44NfGFcqGSYE llZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532XagfQuJaq86FvJzKh/esepxdw51ISJHHjCdxaiomEEJBhbEVg +zqTxk/n5aNpwVjsKDao2sVpADGb8wNlX99ffmU= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ee85:0:b0:428:2648:bc1f with SMTP id f5-20020a50ee85000000b004282648bc1fmr36066103edr.183.1652375984025; Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com (mail-wr1-f51.google.com. [209.85.221.51]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z15-20020a1709064e0f00b006f3ef214dc4sm2239775eju.42.2022.05.12.10.19.41 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id m1so8185346wrb.8 for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6dad:0:b0:20c:4dc1:e247 with SMTP id u13-20020a5d6dad000000b0020c4dc1e247mr629061wrs.274.1652375980629; Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220510082351-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <87czgk8jjo.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au> <87mtfm7uag.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au> In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 10:19:24 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] virtio: last minute fixup To: Michael Ellerman Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" , Konstantin Ryabitsev , KVM list , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, Netdev , Linux Kernel Mailing List , mie@igel.co.jp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 10:10 AM Linus Torvalds wrote: > > And most definitely not just random data that can be trivially > auto-generated after-the-fact. Put another way: when people asked for change ID's and I said "we have links", I by no means meant that "you can just add random worthless links to commits". For example, if you have a (public-facing) Gerrit system that tracks a patch before it gets committed, BY ALL MEANS add a link to that as the "change ID" that you tracked in Gerrit. That's a Link: that actually adds *information*. It shows some real history to the commit, and shows who approved it and when, and gives you all the Gerrit background. But a link to the email on lkml that just contains the patch and the same commentary that was introduced into the commit? Useless garbage. It adds no actual information. THAT is my argument. Why do people think I'm arguing against the Link: tag? No. I'm arguing against adding links with no relevant new information behind them. I don't argue against links to lore. Not at all. If those links are about the background that caused the patch, they are great. Maybe they are to a long thread about the original problem and how to solve it. Thats WONDERFUL. But here's the deal: when I look at a commit that I wonder "why is it doing this, it seems wrong" (possibly after there's been a bug report about it, but possibly just because I'm reviewing it as part of doing the pull), and I see a "Link:" tag, and it just points back to the SAME DAMN DATA that I already have in the commit, then that Link: tag not only wasn't helpful, it was ACTIVELY DETRIMENTAL and made me waste time and just get irritated. And if you waste my time with useless links, why would you expect me to be supportive of that behavior? Linus