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Date:   Wed, 11 May 2022 18:37:45 -0400
From:   "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: Link: tag and links to submission and reports (was: Re: [GIT
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On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 08:55:34AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:50 AM Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I would argue that it should be the patch submitter's responsibility
> > to explicitly add a URL to the problem report.
> 
> I agree in the perfect case.
> 
> But in practice, we have a lot more patch submitters than we have
> maintainers, and not all "leaf developers" necessarily know how to do
> everything.
> 
> So the maintainer should probably expect to fix things up. Not always,
> but also not a "the developer should have done this, so I won't do it"

Sure... but *because* maintainers are significantly outnumbered by the
patch submitters, what we should document is that it is the
developer's responsibility to provide the link, just as it is the
developer's responsibility to at least *try* to write a clear commit
description.

> This isn't so different from the fact that not everybody writes
> English proficiently - people do hopefully end up fixing things up as
> they get passed onwards.

Maintainers can be the backstop, sure, but if we are trying to make
Maintainers scale well, developers should at least feel obligated to
**try** to lighten the load on maintainers to the limits of their
ability.

And I have a bit more sympathy over someone who doesn't speak English
as their first language, over someone who can't be bothered to look up
a bug report link or a Syzkaller ID.

I guess we could always NACK such a patch until they provide that
information, but if it's for a critical bug fix, that's not
necessarily a good alternative either.  I guess that's why the
Maintainers get paid the big bucks....

					- Ted