Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934925AbXEMQrQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 12:47:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759411AbXEMQqz (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:55 -0400 Received: from nic.NetDirect.CA ([216.16.235.2]:49639 "EHLO rubicon.netdirect.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759292AbXEMQqx (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:53 -0400 X-Originating-Ip: 72.143.66.196 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: Jan Engelhardt cc: Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Subject: Re: undeprecate raw driver. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20070513163220.GA31902@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-16.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -15.00, INIT_RECVD_OUR_AUTH -20.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 20.00) X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-From: rpjday@mindspring.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1855 Lines: 46 On Sun, 13 May 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On May 13 2007 12:32, Dave Jones wrote: > > >Despite repeated attempts over the last two and half years, this > >driver seems somewhat persistant. Remove its deprecated status as > >it has existing users who may not be in a position to migrate their > >apps > > At least keep the "it's obsolete" Kconfig description. We don't want > new users/projects to jump on /dev/raw. i just *know* this is a mistake, but i'm going to take one more shot at distinguishing between deprecated and obsolete. as i understand it, the raw driver is *deprecated*. that is, it's still there, it's still supported, people are still using it but its use is *seriously* discouraged and everyone should be trying to move off of it at their earliest possible convenience. that is *not* the same as "obsolete" which should mean that that feature is dead, dead, DEAD and *no one* should be using it anymore. yes, i realize it sounds like splitting hairs, but it's this malleable definition of "deprecated" that's causing all of this trouble in the first place -- the fact that the raw driver is currently listed as "obsolete" when it is, in fact, only deprecated. in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ======================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/