Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759377AbXEMR4o (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 13:56:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757318AbXEMR4g (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 13:56:36 -0400 Received: from nic.NetDirect.CA ([216.16.235.2]:54246 "EHLO rubicon.netdirect.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757694AbXEMR4f (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2007 13:56:35 -0400 X-Originating-Ip: 72.143.66.196 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: Bernd Eckenfels cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: undeprecate raw driver. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-16.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -15.00, INIT_RECVD_OUR_AUTH -20.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 20.00) X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-From: rpjday@mindspring.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2375 Lines: 64 On Sun, 13 May 2007, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article you wrote: > > in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its > > "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. > > it is deprecated and obsolete. no, it's not. and, trust me, no one on this list wants me to have to explain all that again. :-) rday p.s. before we get into this again where everyone thinks they know what they're talking about, i suggest consulting the official definitions of those two terms as defined at http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/conform.html: Deprecated: ---------- "A deprecated element or attribute is one that has been outdated by newer constructs. Deprecated elements are defined in the reference manual in appropriate locations, but are clearly marked as deprecated. Deprecated elements may become obsolete in future versions of HTML. "User agents should continue to support deprecated elements for reasons of backward compatibility. "Definitions of elements and attributes clearly indicate which are deprecated." got that? deprecated means that it's been "outdated," but it's still defined, it's still supported, it's marked as "deprecated", and it ***may become*** obsolete in future versions. if there's a better description of raw drivers, i don't know where you'd find it. Obsolete: -------- "An obsolete element or attribute is one for which there is no guarantee of support by a user agent." there. see the difference? why is this so difficult to grok? you can be deprecated, or you can be obsolete. you *can't* be both. so please stop making that argument. p.p.s. using those definitions, deprecated features are *not* possible candidates for removal, but obsolete features *are*. that's why raw drivers are deprecated, not obsolete. -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ======================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/