Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756335AbXENNjP (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 09:39:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754776AbXENNi5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 09:38:57 -0400 Received: from mail.tmr.com ([64.65.253.246]:36106 "EHLO gaimboi.tmr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754434AbXENNi4 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 09:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <46486685.4000606@tmr.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:39:17 -0400 From: Bill Davidsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061105 SeaMonkey/1.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert P. J. Day" CC: Jan Engelhardt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Subject: Re: undeprecate raw driver. References: <20070513163220.GA31902@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1908 Lines: 43 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 13 May 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >> On May 13 2007 12:32, Dave Jones wrote: >> >>> Despite repeated attempts over the last two and half years, this >>> driver seems somewhat persistant. Remove its deprecated status as >>> it has existing users who may not be in a position to migrate their >>> apps >> At least keep the "it's obsolete" Kconfig description. We don't want >> new users/projects to jump on /dev/raw. > > i just *know* this is a mistake, but i'm going to take one more shot > at distinguishing between deprecated and obsolete. > > as i understand it, the raw driver is *deprecated*. that is, it's > still there, it's still supported, people are still using it but its > use is *seriously* discouraged and everyone should be trying to move > off of it at their earliest possible convenience. > > that is *not* the same as "obsolete" which should mean that that > feature is dead, dead, DEAD and *no one* should be using it anymore. > > yes, i realize it sounds like splitting hairs, but it's this malleable > definition of "deprecated" that's causing all of this trouble in the > first place -- the fact that the raw driver is currently listed as > "obsolete" when it is, in fact, only deprecated. > > in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its > "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. > Correct. Like the weird lady next door who fancies you, it's old, it's ugly, but it's not likely to go away any time soon. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/