Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755785AbXENOIo (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 10:08:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754419AbXENOIi (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 10:08:38 -0400 Received: from nic.NetDirect.CA ([216.16.235.2]:58422 "EHLO rubicon.netdirect.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754333AbXENOIh (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 10:08:37 -0400 X-Originating-Ip: 72.143.66.196 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: Bob Johnston cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: undeprecate raw driver. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <464770A0.4070809@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20070514124210.71d94d58@the-village.bc.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-16.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -15.00, INIT_RECVD_OUR_AUTH -20.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 20.00) X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-From: rpjday@mindspring.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1891 Lines: 49 On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bob Johnston wrote: > Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > > Why not just use the terms: > > > * outdated - as a replacement for "deprecated". > > > > Because they don't actually mean the same thing ? > > "superseded" would probably be a better word, perhaps lacking the > negative connotations of "deprecated" except that you *want* the negative connotation associated with the word "deprecated." you don't just want to say something's been superseded. rather, you want to say that it's not only been superseded but that you really want people to *stop using it* and move up to the newer version; otherwise, there is no motivation to upgrade. i'm just baffled by the resistance to the word "deprecated" since it represents *exactly* the idea you want to get across here. its use in software projects is well-established. why are some people so put off by it? > I'm just trying to propose an alternative because it seems that > deprecated/obsolete causes some confusion. no, it does *not* cause confusion. by now, everyone who's been following this thread knows *exactly* what those two words are being proposed to represent. what's happening is that they don't *like* that proposed usage. quite simply, there is no confusion here, there is simply annoying obstinacy. there's a difference. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ======================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/