Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760298AbXENURT (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 16:17:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754812AbXENURJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 16:17:09 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:58226 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754830AbXENURG (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 May 2007 16:17:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:17:04 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Jean Delvare Cc: Linus Torvalds , Antonino Ingargiola , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.22-rc1 Message-ID: <20070514201704.GB20783@infradead.org> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Hellwig , Jean Delvare , Linus Torvalds , Antonino Ingargiola , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <5486cca80705131150u313eeb43i30bf040e160ac419@mail.gmail.com> <20070514081022.7fcee97f@hyperion.delvare> <5486cca80705140134r318296b8k37ad6f4562b4b535@mail.gmail.com> <20070514141437.631fcfd1@hyperion.delvare> <5486cca80705140628w5ff43ebdqf6a5413203226d5@mail.gmail.com> <20070514172138.1c870793@hyperion.delvare> <20070514202419.33a90f57@hyperion.delvare> <20070514212807.246c0281@hyperion.delvare> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070514212807.246c0281@hyperion.delvare> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1497 Lines: 28 On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:28:07PM +0200, Jean Delvare wrote: > > And we really complained about it! The oprofile thing should be fixed, > > btw, and yeah,if udev breaks any more, I'll have to stop taking patches > > from Greg. That thing has been a disaster, and everybody involved should > > be ashamed and now hopefully *very* aware of the fact that we don't break > > user-level interfaces. > > > > (Right now, I suspect we may have a loop setup regression. Not sure) > > While I'm all for keeping things relatively stable and not asking the > user to constantly upgrade user-space, I believe that we just can't > promise to never break user-level interfaces while keeping the > development pace we have right now. We can promise to grant people > significant delay before we drop compatibility options, but "forever" > doesn't scale. never with a loong deprecations period. At least for APIs that are not private to a single obscure driver. But this would require people actually beeing aware of creating ABIs, and maybe someone with half a clue reviewing them. Which of course is not the case today, thanks to ioctls, procfs, sysfs, debugfs and co people can create userspace ABIs without a single though easily, and they happily do it. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/