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Miller" , Jakub Kicinski , Paolo Abeni , "open list:MAC80211" , "open list:NETWORKING [GENERAL]" , open list References: <20220525103512.3666956-1-gasmibal@gmail.com> <87r14hoox8.fsf@toke.dk> <92ca6224-9232-2648-0123-7096aafa17fb@nbd.name> From: Felix Fietkau Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] mac80211: use AQL airtime for expected throughput. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 25.05.22 19:21, Dave Taht wrote: > Sigh. Ideally we are trying to keep latency low by deeply understanding > current conditions. Batching up anything on this large interval feels > wrong. Powersave and beacons become "beating" frequencies. Shorter intervals (or even doing it without batching at all) will likely lead to much more fluctuation, which could make the average less useful. I think batching it up will likely be beneficial for protocols like batman-adv. - Felix