Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:07:51 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:07:46 -0500 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:21686 "EHLO bitmover.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:07:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:07:29 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Henning Schmiedehausen Cc: Larry McVoy , Jeff Garzik , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Coding style - a non-issue Message-ID: <20011130100729.R14710@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Henning Schmiedehausen , Larry McVoy , Jeff Garzik , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To:

<20011128162317.B23210@work.bitmover.com> <9u7lb0$8t9$1@forge.intermeta.de> <20011130072634.E14710@work.bitmover.com> <1007138360.6656.27.camel@forge> <3C07B820.4108246F@mandrakesoft.com> <1007140529.6655.37.camel@forge> <20011130092730.Q14710@work.bitmover.com> <1007142785.6655.39.camel@forge> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <1007142785.6655.39.camel@forge>; from hps@intermeta.de on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:53:05PM +0100 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Henning, perhaps you can explain to me how the following isn't a "I don't do XYZ" "XYZ" statement? On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:53:05PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > You may want to know that I work in this > industry for about 15 years and write commercial code (that is "code > that ships") since about that time (and I don't run around telling > everybody each and every time about it and what I've already done). That would be the "I don't do XYZ..." > I've > written code in a good two dozen languages (including things that really > deserve to die like Comal) and I've worked in projects from "one man > show" to "lots of people in Elbonia also work on this". And this would be the "XYZ". If you are going to yell at people for a particular behaviour, it's really more effective if you don't show that behaviour in the midst of your yelling, wouldn't you agree? Just a friendly thought. > So, please, please, Larry, _STOP THE FUCK PATRONIZING OTHERS_. It would appear that you find everything I say patronizing, regardless of what it is or how it is said. I'm sorry about that, but I'm not going to change how I speak to suit you. Yell all you want. I'd suggest that if you find my emails offensive, you add me to your kill file. > The question now is, what is "amateur behaviour": Forcing this driver > writer to change or to tolerate his style in his driver? We're still > talking about a driver, not about the VM subsystem or the networking > core. Your approach to this whole topic is a good example of why I run my own company and I have absolute authority to fire people at will. If you worked here and you persisted with this approach, you would be fired, without question. I don't know how to say it more clearly, I don't say it lightly, hiring someone, training them, all of that is a huge investment. One which I would discard if you couldn't fit in. Coding style is part of fitting in, it isn't optional in any code I pay for. You may have a different view, that's cool, you're entitled. But realize that any professional software organization is unlikely to agree with you. For whatever that is worth. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/