Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760179AbXE2Gza (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 02:55:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751698AbXE2GzW (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 02:55:22 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.225]:36634 "EHLO nz-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751113AbXE2GzV (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 02:55:21 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RvP4wY1aeMWW97UOW6+UOwtLGUdR/zN4gkatC39v52BV2jAXM661aVvQofez3EGaTw4hVjexi8LLVQiPP8r1CRCKmuf+C5lrH4k0IQtSAVK6rahhafIO/kTbU3yqCHkrbd4+LnF4yw8EeJXz5voqt1i92YXWdndu2pLu8vvj3Iw= Message-ID: <3ae72650705282355j40a0b03bt96661bc1263efc35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:55:20 +0200 From: "Kay Sievers" To: "Linus Torvalds" Subject: Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review Cc: "Pavel Machek" , "Romano Giannetti" , "Chris Wright" , "Chuck Ebbert" , "Linux Kernel Mailing List" , stable@kernel.org, "Justin Forbes" , "Zwane Mwaikambo" , "Theodore Ts'o" , "Randy Dunlap" , "Dave Jones" , "Chuck Wolber" , "Chris Wedgwood" , "Michael Krufky" , akpm@linux-foundation.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, "Rafael J. Wysocki" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1179870110.16656.2.camel@localhost> <20070524200435.GA9604@elf.ucw.cz> <20070524220017.GC9604@elf.ucw.cz> <20070524221743.GD9604@elf.ucw.cz> <20070524231852.GG9604@elf.ucw.cz> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e1f48f33a39a3fb5 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1338 Lines: 31 On 5/25/07, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2007, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > > 2) we need to preload firmware during _suspend_. I AM TELLING THAT TO > > PEOPLE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. > > And people aren't listening. Have you thought about _why_? > > The thing is, it should just work. Even without pre-loading. > > > Imageine we killed freezer. Also imagine Romano has IDE card his > > PCMCIA slot. Kaboom, we solved nothing. > > Don't be silly. We solved it. The firmware has to be loadable from > somewhere else, since otherwise his IDE card wouldn't have been accessible > in the first place! The shiny userspace firmware loading causes problems since it exists, every second box has problems with it, in all sorts of situations. If people are still sold to the idea of userspace firmware loading, why don't we keep the data in the driver, instead of immediately discarding it after the first upload? Not to waste a few hundred kilobytes? That doesn't sound like a convincing deal, after all the years people try to work around the issues it causes. Kay - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/