Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752630AbXE2Lzj (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 07:55:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751354AbXE2Lzc (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 07:55:32 -0400 Received: from ogre.sisk.pl ([217.79.144.158]:36935 "EHLO ogre.sisk.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751230AbXE2Lzb (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 May 2007 07:55:31 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: "Kay Sievers" Subject: Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:00:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Cc: "Linus Torvalds" , "Pavel Machek" , "Romano Giannetti" , "Chris Wright" , "Chuck Ebbert" , "Linux Kernel Mailing List" , stable@kernel.org, "Justin Forbes" , "Zwane Mwaikambo" , "Theodore Ts'o" , "Randy Dunlap" , "Dave Jones" , "Chuck Wolber" , "Chris Wedgwood" , "Michael Krufky" , akpm@linux-foundation.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk References: <1179870110.16656.2.camel@localhost> <3ae72650705282355j40a0b03bt96661bc1263efc35@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3ae72650705282355j40a0b03bt96661bc1263efc35@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705291400.46707.rjw@sisk.pl> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 34 On Tuesday, 29 May 2007 08:55, Kay Sievers wrote: > On 5/25/07, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Fri, 25 May 2007, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > > > > 2) we need to preload firmware during _suspend_. I AM TELLING THAT TO > > > PEOPLE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. > > > > And people aren't listening. Have you thought about _why_? > > > > The thing is, it should just work. Even without pre-loading. > > > > > Imageine we killed freezer. Also imagine Romano has IDE card his > > > PCMCIA slot. Kaboom, we solved nothing. > > > > Don't be silly. We solved it. The firmware has to be loadable from > > somewhere else, since otherwise his IDE card wouldn't have been accessible > > in the first place! > > The shiny userspace firmware loading causes problems since it exists, > every second box has problems with it, in all sorts of situations. If > people are still sold to the idea of userspace firmware loading, why > don't we keep the data in the driver, instead of immediately > discarding it after the first upload? Not to waste a few hundred > kilobytes? That doesn't sound like a convincing deal, after all the > years people try to work around the issues it causes. Agreed. Rafael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/