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From:   Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:42:03 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] serial: Fix support for UPF_SPD_* flags
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 4:20 PM Pali Roh=C3=A1r <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Friday 08 July 2022 15:51:01 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Pali Roh=C3=A1r wrote:
> > > On Friday 08 July 2022 15:07:43 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:48:40AM +0200, Pali Roh=C3=A1r wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 22 April 2022 16:28:06 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

...

> > > > I'm not saying remove them, I'm saying let us not add any more
> > > > dependancies on them in order to keep new applications from ever wa=
nting
> > > > to use them.
> > >
> > > Last time you wrote to remove them. Now saying not to remove them. So=
 I
> > > do not understand you now.

There was a _new_ addition of the ugly SPD_CUST, that's what I believe
Greg opposes to. And I support that.

> > I'm sorry, I am totally lost.
>
> So look what you have wrote? Who is lost here is me.
>
> > How about starting over and resubmitting
> > the changes you want and we can go from there.
>
> What to resubmit? I do not understand you. In case you lost emails or
> accidentally removed them, you can look at them in archive, not? I hope
> that you do not want me to copy+paste all existing patches with all your
> quotes on them which you wrote into new emails.

That change that adds the new user of SPD_CUST?

In any case the best summary about BOTHER I ever read is this [1] (and
an initial steps in picocom [2]). And I believe that instead of
SPD_CUST we should get rid (or at least minimize) the problems with
BOTHER in user space.

[1]: https://github.com/npat-efault/picocom/blob/master/termios2.txt
[2]: https://github.com/jmesmon/picocom/issues/2


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With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko