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On Friday 08 July 2022 17:42:03 Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 4:20 PM Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Friday 08 July 2022 15:51:01 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > > On Friday 08 July 2022 15:07:43 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:48:40AM +0200, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 22 April 2022 16:28:06 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > > > > I'm not saying remove them, I'm saying let us not add any more
> > > > > dependancies on them in order to keep new applications from ever wanting
> > > > > to use them.
> > > >
> > > > Last time you wrote to remove them. Now saying not to remove them. So I
> > > > do not understand you now.
> 
> There was a _new_ addition of the ugly SPD_CUST, that's what I believe
> Greg opposes to. And I support that.

Which addition? I do not understand you. There was not any new driver
with introduction of SPD support.

> > > I'm sorry, I am totally lost.
> >
> > So look what you have wrote? Who is lost here is me.
> >
> > > How about starting over and resubmitting
> > > the changes you want and we can go from there.
> >
> > What to resubmit? I do not understand you. In case you lost emails or
> > accidentally removed them, you can look at them in archive, not? I hope
> > that you do not want me to copy+paste all existing patches with all your
> > quotes on them which you wrote into new emails.
> 
> That change that adds the new user of SPD_CUST?

What you are talking about? Which user?

> In any case the best summary about BOTHER I ever read is this [1] (and
> an initial steps in picocom [2]).

Is not that example in manpage enough?

> And I believe that instead of
> SPD_CUST we should get rid (or at least minimize) the problems with
> BOTHER in user space.

I looked into archives and seems that glibc people are not interested in
this area. And I'm not going to spend time on another project which seems
to be useless.

> [1]: https://github.com/npat-efault/picocom/blob/master/termios2.txt
> [2]: https://github.com/jmesmon/picocom/issues/2
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> With Best Regards,
> Andy Shevchenko