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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q2-20020a170902788200b0016dce92b3b3si2274626pll.84.2022.08.03.07.56.31; Wed, 03 Aug 2022 07:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linutronix.de header.s=2020 header.b=NhPTXjn7; dkim=neutral (no key) header.i=@linutronix.de; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=linutronix.de Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S236693AbiHCOfs (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:35:48 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54458 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S236041AbiHCOfr (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:35:47 -0400 Received: from galois.linutronix.de (Galois.linutronix.de [IPv6:2a0a:51c0:0:12e:550::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8FAB5F7F for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:35:42 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linutronix.de; s=2020; t=1659537344; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=eWJIkiBpz40U3Ov2NyZuqUQaReOFpBnaQ8aleQHUj5U=; b=NhPTXjn75SIGXWadZSeqbGfl2xz90GcPXc4f3J5zHfpRUD5TERVYPoTAZ+GeW7Iiqlzc09 ZP2C+eZoCkmZMqM1lnl50fkQxO1DGcNJkGG36Ll52dPzlwOnImG0u8s+De5bN7JZP/gWYv eiI5P8rAlpNKzc/kfKCfnad6ano3Rb8ka4qmPTT3/2oFA/BPJZrVe1KU2+Sdjt+iVAowsP hOPy0lvrC/JiSusv6ieUSHVzEEYmA1g1Q9zvVcOj2SNdprPccdrK5pupXWSSa0dwv1hnoU 3QV2NuMtwVy5tn8QJQgaGf5ycbIQnfKBu1VkRWJU0OnOW4Efs5cWZvMLeFrBhg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linutronix.de; s=2020e; t=1659537344; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=eWJIkiBpz40U3Ov2NyZuqUQaReOFpBnaQ8aleQHUj5U=; b=VxLG0VE7fSrKwsCkZWXc+xW5/CuLUWpdhBPj5LGJi/f6Zd7C9YjQvl50KFRFhF3XGEY/lk bOkrewOFtiT+AlAw== From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Petr Mladek , Sergey Senozhatsky , Steven Rostedt , John Ogness , Andy Shevchenko , Rasmus Villemoes , Thomas Gleixner , Jan Kara , Peter Zijlstra , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] printk for 5.20 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 2022-08-02 20:19:34 [-0700], Linus Torvalds wrote: > Seriously, even if you have strict RT requirements, you may also have > strict debugging requirements, and if something goes wrong, you want > to KNOW ABOUT IT. At that point, your RT rules may well fly out the > window, because you have more serious problems. > > End result: no way will I accept this kind of completely arbitrary and > frankly not very intelligent patch. > > If people want to disable console printing, that's THEIR CHOICE. It > could be a new config variable where you ASK people about what they > want. Not this kind of idiotic tying together of things. I don't argue about the loss in debugging with disabled consoles and I spare you the time explaining how it got there. Petr, do you revert it yourself or do you want me to send a revert? > Linus Sebastian