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From:   Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun, 7 Aug 2022 12:10:08 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 1/3] dma-buf: Add ioctl to query mmap info
To:     =?UTF-8?Q?Christian_K=C3=B6nig?= <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Christian K=C3=B6nig
<ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 07.08.22 um 19:56 schrieb Rob Clark:
> > On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 10:38 AM Christian K=C3=B6nig
> > <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [SNIP]
> >> And exactly that was declared completely illegal the last time it came
> >> up on the mailing list.
> >>
> >> Daniel implemented a whole bunch of patches into the DMA-buf layer to
> >> make it impossible for KVM to do this.
> > This issue isn't really with KVM, it is not making any CPU mappings
> > itself.  KVM is just making the pages available to the guest.
>
> Well I can only repeat myself: This is strictly illegal.
>
> Please try this approach with CONFIG_DMABUF_DEBUG set. I'm pretty sure
> you will immediately run into a crash.
>
> See this here as well
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.19/source/drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf.c#L=
653
>
> Daniel intentionally added code to mangle the page pointers to make it
> impossible for KVM to do this.

I don't believe KVM is using the sg table, so this isn't going to stop
anything ;-)

> If the virtio/virtgpu UAPI was build around the idea that this is
> possible then it is most likely fundamental broken.

How else can you envision mmap'ing to guest userspace working?  The
guest kernel is the one that controls the guest userspace pagetables,
not the host kernel.  I guess your complaint is about VMs in general,
but unfortunately I don't think you'll convince the rest of the
industry to abandon VMs ;-)

But more seriously, let's take a step back here.. what scenarios are
you seeing this being problematic for?  Then we can see how to come up
with solutions.  The current situation of host userspace VMM just
guessing isn't great.  And sticking our heads in the sand and
pretending VMs don't exist isn't great.  So what can we do?  I can
instead add a msm ioctl to return this info and solve the problem even
more narrowly for a single platform.  But then the problem still
remains on other platforms.

Slightly implicit in this is that mapping dma-bufs to the guest won't
work for anything that requires DMA_BUF_IOCTL_SYNC for coherency.. we
could add a possible return value for DMA_BUF_INFO_VM_PROT indicating
that the buffer does not support mapping to guest or CPU access
without DMA_BUF_IOCTL_SYNC.  Then at least the VMM can fail gracefully
instead of subtly.

BR,
-R