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Date:   Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:30:13 +0200
From:   Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:55PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 05:02:40PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 04:54:53PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > For the time being, I agree with your recommendation to not buy these
> > > devices if you care about camera support.
> > 
> > I second this, don't buy these devices if the vendor is not willing to
> > get their drivers upstreamed properly.
> 
> "Not willing" may be a bit too harsh here. I wouldn't just blame Intel
> for not upstreaming a driver if it turns out that the V4L2 API isn't a
> good match and we have no proposal to provide an alternative.

Did they propose an alternative?  From what I saw here they didn't even
attempt it, or did I miss that?

Not even attempting is just not ok, as you say, they know where we are,
it's not like we can hide...

thanks,

greg k-h